RE: WIN32 compilation, the spirit of GNU software.

[Mike Garnsey <mike_garnsey yahoo com>]

my 2 cents...  

1.  Hans, thanks for the outstanding work you've done
on porting Dia to win32.  On behalf of Dia win32 users
and developers such as myself, I sincerely hope we
don't lose your expertise!

2.  Whether its Mike or Hans (or whoever) that has the
inclination to make the win32 port easier to build,
I'm all for it!   I'd offer to help with the win32
port/build environment, but I don't feel that I have
the necessary expertise.  Maybe I could help with some
build documentation, though?

3. What M.DuPont said about encouraging developers to
contribute evoked an "AMEN!" from me...fighting to get
a win32 build of Dia nearly drove me away.  I'm not
complaining --rather simply stating that it was a
painful experience for an apprentice Dia developer
such as myself to get a working win32 (MSVC) build
from CVS source.  

regards, Mike Garnsey


--- James Michael DuPont <mdupont777 yahoo com> wrote:
> I know what you mean, rob, and I see can see it from
> you perspective.
> But can you try and see it from mine?
>
> --- Rob Campbell <rob campbell att net> wrote:
> > On Friday, August 23, 2002 9:43 AM, JMD wrote:
> > > I just pointed out a problem: I bet Hans realized
> that there could
> > be a
> > > bit a truth in it, and that is why he did what he
> did, in my
> > opinion.
> > > You would just ban me from the list and ignore me
> if you really
> > thought
> > > I was %100 wrong!
> >
> > I'll go out on a limb and say Hans' action is
> instead an indication
> > of the
> > oft discussed disgust of open source programmers
> with users who
> > scream,
> > "Gimme, gimme, gimme!"  In this case, it wasn't
> "Gimme this feature"
> > but
> > "Gimme this tool chain."  
>
> Yes, in a way you are right. I am just asking for
> the sources.
>
> In the beginning, I figured that I would just try it
> on my own, 
> and then I realized that there must be a way to get
> the sources already
> built.
>
> So from that perspective, I am just complaining
> about having to piece
> it all togeather myself. 
>
>
> I looked at the GPL itself and was quite suprized
> that they were so
> explicit about providing the sources, as much as the
> rest of you i
> imagine.
>
> Well I am sorry for complaining and spoilling the
> fun. 
>
> > Then the implied threats/loaded language
> > started
> > flying and Hans said, "Fine.  Problem remedied. 
> The binaries are no
> > longer
> > available."  You've since back pedaled on the
> implication that Hans
> > must be
> > holding something back, but the damage is done,
> isn't it?
>
> Yes, and I apologised for it. I am going to get the
> port back up and
> running. Then I will distribute the sources in such
> as way as to
> encourage other developers to help, to make it easy
> for them to want
> and  get involved. 
>
> Not only for dia, but for the gcc development as
> well, the idea is to
> make it easier for people to use these development
> tools. To help them
> contribute. Having all the source code and
> "build-chain" as you call it
> will be a BIG step in that direction. 
>
> Again, I am working on a NATIVE port using MING. Not
> anything with
> cygwin. I will be looking to get the bonobo and
> corba interfaces up and
> running, also with a perl to orbit to bonobo
> intergration like in
> GNUMERIC. 
>
> This will make up for the damage I hope.
>
> If all goes well, even more people will be
> contributing to dia,
> also because of this little interaction we had.
>
> Mike
>
>
> =====
> James Michael DuPont
> http://introspector.sourceforge.net/
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