Re: A dock

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:37 PM, alex diavatis
<alexis diavatis gmail com> wrote:
Hello Emmanuele,

While I think we can discuss whether the presence of a dock could
ensure gaining users, I also don't think GNOME needs to "win back"
users in the first place.

What that's supposed to mean? GNOME doesn't need to get users back?
Just curious, coz I see the opposite. Which obviously isn't matter of a dock
not even matter if GNOME is better or worse than others.

Not to put words in Emmanuele' mouth.  But what I think he means is
that putting a dock on the screen for the reasons of getting user's
back should not be itself be a goal.  The desktop community has an ebb
and flow.  People are constantly moving from one desktop to another as
each one makes a new release, at least that is my observation.  We
should focus on making sure that we have a high quality desktop that
conforms to our design philosophy of Just Works and distraction free


- alex

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Joern Konopka <cldx3000 googlemail com>

Hey Sebastien and Alex :)

As you both can see, there are just two emails in this Thread, and we
already covered the spectrum of opinions.

For my part, you should know that i'm actively working on one of those
Dock Extension that have been mentioned. But i'm not gonna say that
everybody should use it. Instead i want to emphasize that i think having a
Dock in an Extension Scope is the PERFECT solution for a Dock. And here's

Docks will never make everybody happy. There are too many behaviours
people expect, too many options, too many positions people argue about.

Take into account that we are moving towards a more and more
device-agnostic playfield. An (intellhide) Dock just isn't a viable solution
for a range of Devices. I'm not the guru of anything Gnome is up to. But i
think including a component that's so complex and also personal in its
behaviour and usage is actually better off being an Extension.

Also i would like to point out that we keep on forgetting that Extensions
are not some kinda stripped down shoehorned replacement of real Shell
programming. They are REALLY powerful. Why they seem to be objected to
something that's *lower* than Shell Code is beyond me. Maybe it's the
presentation? Is it the quality of Extensions? Maybe that's really where we
should be looking for a solution.

Am Samstag, 4. April 2015 schrieb alex diavatis :

Hello Sebastien,

Also as a desktop user, I do think that would be awful. Your OS X
example, is a good example why GNOME should avoid
intelligent hide docs. It doesn't even work either good on Elementary, or
with extensions.

But since you like it, and since  you already know how you can use it,
and since any distro can ship such an extension,
whats the point of making default? :/

- alex

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Sébastien D. <se8 and gmail com> wrote:

First, I want to thank you and congratulate you for Gnome 3.16. It's a
great release and I'm in love with it : beautiful, simple, clean and
not bloated with useless features. We spend 99% of our time in a
browser nowadays and it's so cool to have this stellar browser :

But as a desktop user, the navigation between applications is a pain
to work with. I have tried hard to get used to, but it's still not a
smooth process. Maybe it's just me. Or maybe Gnome is more targeted
for laptops and tablets.

So, a quick idea : now that notifications have moved away, why not put
a permanent dock in the bottom of the screen (like OS X or something
like that) ?

I know that extensions can just do that, but it could be a good move
to win back desktop users (and distributions).

Thanks all, I wish you the best,

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