On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 01:40 +0200, Luis Menina wrote: > Wolter Hellmund a écrit : > > In the following message, I will suggest the creation of a new project > > entitled GNOME Innovation > > Hi, > I'm going to summarize why I am strongly against that proposal. My > reflexion is based on what I saw in Mandriva's equivalent to Ubuntu > brainstorm. > > 1. This creates new work to triage good/bad ideas. To be thoughtful, > this needs some people with GNOME good knowledge. It will distract these > people from triaging bugs directly in bugzilla, or work on something else. > > 2. More input doesn't mean more manpower. Even if some ideas are good, > this doesn't bring new developers to do the actual job. > > 3. It lowers the knowledge requirements too much. The consequence is > that every single clueless user that thinks he has a good idea leaves a > few "ideas", and even more clueless users vote for it. People that have > the knowledge to differenciate good/doable ideas from the others > generally know what a bugzilla is, and fill an enhancement request... > > 4. Because of (3), most of the ideas I saw on these websites are > duplicates of bugzilla bugs or enhancement requests, or are just stuff > that already exists, but that the (noob) user didn't find in his desktop. > > 5. Because of (3) and (4), the signal/noise ratio is very low. > > 6. The few people that don't know how to use a bugzilla *and* that will > propose valuable ideas are most likely going to be pissed off when > they'll see it ends up not being implemented, or after a ridiculously > long amount of time. Remember we still have bugs in bugzilla that are > several years old ! Some of them with patches roting ! Let's fix that > before even thinking of the next new *cool* feature the users want. > > 7. Who would do the work ? As someone already explained, this is not how > things work in a community. The ones who decide are not the ones who > want, but the ones who actually do the job. If you don't plan to do it > yourself, but just rely on other's people work, you've already lost 50% > chances to have this ever be done. The Git migration for exemple > happened, because some people wanted that to happen, made a survey, and > stepped in to do the job. > > We already lack manpower. Please don't fall on this. It just bring more > work with only very small foreseeable gains. Thumbs down. > -- > Luis > Well, you point out some pretty good reasons which make the project look unnecessary. And yes, most of this problems are due to the availability of the project to people who not necessarily put into suggesting ideas much effort or seriousness, hence my recently proposed modification to this project proposal. I suggest that a new component in the GNOME bug database is created that corresponds to the purpose of innovating GNOME. This way, the people who are not serious about suggesting ideas to implement will be avoided at a big percentage; the people who will contribute with GNOME's innovation will be mostly people who care about GNOME and the open source software and consequently know how to move around in a bug filing environment, such as bugzilla. -- Best regards, Wolter Hellmund
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