Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

[Robert Carr <Carrr rpi edu>]

Not to be hostile, but please don't accuse me of "holding" anything up  
or being a vocal minority. I have never spoken out, posted, or blogged  
about any of the DVCS decisions.

I think I said in the survey I would prefer bzr, however I didn't  
really care at the time (and much less since
Discovering git-rebase--interactive) and if I indicated otherwise,  
that was not intentional.

On Jan 4, 2009, at 10:40, "Jason D. Clinton" <me jasonclinton com>  
wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters <olav bkor dhs org>  
> wrote:
> > That isn't a contest. It is a survey.
>
> Please don't read more in to my email than I intended. There's no need
> to get defensive.
>
>
> > > <http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/first-picks-permutations.png>  
> > > It
> > > seems to me that a lot of brain power, sysadmin time, and general
> >
> > I am a sysadmin and disagree with your notion that sysadmin time is
> > somehow saved. I'd rather asses such things myself. Further, sysadmin
> > time is not so important.
>
> Thank you for voicing your opinion.
>
>
> > > just all move on?
> >
> > Further, your explanation is incomplete. As you said, the graph is  
> > about
> > people knowing two DVCS systems. I wouldn't say I knew 2. Those 6 are
> > incomplete.
>
> I highlighted this statistical analysis because those 6 contain the
> subset of  4 vocal users demanding that we /also/ support bzr.
>
>
> > Now before you reply: we have a clear need for git to work (ranked  
> > 1st
> > 50% of the time, etc). But if you say "move on", how do you think a
> > switch is made? Magic?
>
> Please don't be patronizing. I'm not an idiot.
>
>
> > Anyway, I'd rather add John Carr to the sysadmin team. I plan to  
> > make a
> > proposal to switch GNOME to a DVCS where Git works using Johns
> > suggestion. Then other sysadmins[1] can suggest whatever proposal  
> > they
> > want. These proposals can be investigated on merit and then a one  
> > can be
> > chosen (chosen as in: "go ahead and try if this would work", not "go
> > ahead blindly"; everything must be tested before a cutover).
>
> John's idea is a good one but it patently loses on technical merit. As
> stated by John here, git will only be support in a degraded,
> bastardized form because he chose bzr as the repository format:
>
> http://blogs.gnome.org/johncarr/2008/12/11/dvcs-for-gnome/#comment-172
>
> Are we really going to go back to the days of CVS where file moves
> aren't supported?
>
> It strikes me that this very vocal minority--John and Robert Carr,
> Karl Lattimer and Rob Taylor (whom are four of the six people I
> mentioned above)--are potentially delaying even longer what we've
> wanted for more than two years, now. It is from these same people that
> came the suggestion that git users were a rapid, vocal minority. Why
> are we letting them derail this process?
>
> Moving will not be easy, obviously. But doing it John's way will be,
> in my technical analysis, an order of magnitude more painful.
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