Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule
- From: "Felipe Contreras" <felipe contreras gmail com>
- To: "Olav Vitters" <olav bkor dhs org>
- Cc: desktop-devel-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule
- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:12:59 +0200
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Olav Vitters <olav bkor dhs org> wrote:
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> Yes. Ubuntu is acting as a translator between user and developer. Which
> is what I am suggesting you could do as well.
Right, and as a Fedora user I find it interesting that in order to
find things to improve in GNOME I have to go to the Ubuntu brainstorm.
> Ehr.. 'unmount resolution': I assumed you couldn't unmount because of
> some process and you want to kill it (e.g. bash process cd'ed in that
> dir). You could even think of something that wouldn't need the process
> to be killed, but would instead save the state locally ('gedit was using
> that USB, don't worry.. it'll be written next time you plug it in').
You don't need the process to be killed; you need the list of
processes using that and the option to kill them.
> > Anyway, the fact that it's an important issue remains.
>
> I don't see that as a fact (in the meaning: 'stop everything, work on
> this now asap'). I agree that there are a lot of things that should be
> fixed/improved.
Of course not, the developers decide what gets done or not.
important != work on this asap
important = carrying or possessing weight or consequence
The fact that 3,000 seem to want this feature makes me think it's
carries weight.
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> > Perhaps the roadmap is not a good place for that, perhaps some feature
> > list, perhaps even the bug reports could help, but you need to *see*
> > the votes.
>
> Votes don't work. Really, the most popular bug on Mozilla Bugzilla has
> around 750 votes. There are millions of (Firefox) users out there. The
> 750 is not significant (nor a representation of the Fx target group).
>
> It only results (on Mozilla Bugzilla) about 'XXX votes, why isn't it
> fixed?!?', etc. Plus discussions on how many votes each person should
> have.
Some voting systems might not work, the most basic ones that I have
seen work have the option to vote negatively.
Still, only-positive systems at least gives you an idea.
> > Take for example the maemo bugzilla, you can easily see the most wanted things:
> > http://tinyurl.com/2eajzg
> >
> > There are potential new developers out there but I doubt they would
> > want to work on a feature nobody else cares about.
>
> So that is why I gave that Jokosher example.. shine by doing.
Jono Bacon started it, which I bet was major undertake and which
required a lot of knowledge most of which probably he already had.
Also he probably knew enough people that would like such a thing.
Most potential developers don't have that clear idea about how to contribute.
> Which application? Pidgin? I don't see that as GNOME, but as a Gtk using
> application. For GNOME, see http://www.gnome.org/start/unstable for the
> list of GNOME applications. Then there is also the GNOME infrastructure
> using stuff (on ftp.gnome.org). If an app isn't even on GNOME infra..
> then d-d-l is likely not the mailing list you want.
>
> I'll refrain from commenting about Pidgin specifically.
I don't know what the objective of that comment was but for just FYI:
libpurple + telepathy-haze = msn on Empathy, and later perhaps
telepathy-msn-pecan.
> > I will develop somewhere else.
>
> ?!? and now suddenly this is about developing? I don't get the
> intention. Whatever you want to improve, go ahead and do it. If during
> that you need help / have questions: shout!
I'm a GNOME user and FOSS developer that would like to know which are
the features users want. Knowing that is a step closer into making a
consequential contribution.
Now I know d-d-l is not the right place for that, neither is the GNOME
community, I'll better start on Ubuntu brainstorm, like apparently a
lot of people are doing.
Best regards.
--
Felipe Contreras
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