Re: Using vala in GNOME



Am Montag, den 30.06.2008, 12:30 +0100 schrieb Bastien Nocera:
> On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 13:14 +0200, Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
> > Am Montag, den 30.06.2008, 10:31 +0100 schrieb Bastien Nocera:
> > > On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 01:51 +0000, Stef wrote:
> > > > Interesting. That's a very valid concern.
> > > > 
> > > > Although this is a decidedly different case. Vala is used to generate C
> > > > code for parts of seahorse. This C code is then checked into the
> > > > repository, and included in the tarballs, so that people can build it
> > > > without vala.
> > > 
> > > Right. Some of us have already been there with gob. I don't usually
> > > think it's worth the pain, but it's your code. I'll start complaining
> > > when I have to fix bugs in that code.
> > 
> > Just that gob wasn't half as ambitious as Vala. gob took some kind of
> > minimum effort approach which lead to the effect that you were mixing
> > high-level gob and low-level C code all the time. This just felt flaky
> > and hackish.
> > 
> > Vala on the other hand tries to provide a complete user experience.
> > Programming with it feels much better than it ever did with gob. Having
> > written quite some C# and Java code I think, that writing Vala code
> > feels as natural as with those languages. 
> 
> I'm not comparing featuresets. I'm saying it still feels like a
> pre-processor. It needs native autotools[1] support before it's
> considered for use in core components.
> 
> > While your rant has some justification
> 
> Just where you saw a rant, I don't know. I'd rather you didn't
> attribute those kind of qualifiers to my messages in the future.

Update the bug:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472048#c11

The automake maintainers received a patch ages ago:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake-patches/2007-09/msg00007.html

After that I've got the FSF's copyright assignment papers sent, and I've
sent them back. No progress since then.

Ciao,
Mathias
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