Re: Proposal: enable accessibility by default for GNOME
- From: "Tao, Miao" <Tim Miao Sun COM>
- To: Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>
- Cc: desktop-devel-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: Proposal: enable accessibility by default for GNOME
- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:14:20 +0800
I think what we did here is for a better user experiences to
accessibility users, just like what Will said, it's far easier for
someone without a disability to turn it off than it is for a person with
a disability to turn it on.
And I also have an idea about this, I saw accessible installation demo
on last CSUN meeting, can we add an option while accessible installation
to let user choose enabling or disabling the accessibility support in
his/her session by default? This option can be set to "Enable
Accessibility Support by default", for a person with disability, he/she
would much like to keep that, for a person without disability, he/she
could choose keep it there or disable it after installation.
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 15:54 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
> The way accessibility support works is that GTK+ loads accessibility
> modules (gail and atk-bridge) if it detects that accessibility support
> is enabled.
> If accessibility support is not enabled when an application starts, I
> don't believe there is a way to indicate to a running GTK+ application
> to go ahead and load the accessibility modules retroactively. As such,
> one needs to quit running applications and restart them in order for
> changes to the accessibility setting to take effect.
> The current user experience is very bad and kind of a Catch 22
> situation: in order to enable accessibility, they often need to use
> assisitve technologies. In order to use assisitve technologies, they
> often need accessibility enabled. So, what we do now is tell users to
> find some way to enable accessibility for their session, then log out
> and log back in. It's really embarrassing as far as I'm concerned.
> I'll see if we can dig up some metrics on the costs of enabling a11y.
> If anyone has good suggestions for how to do this and how to get numbers
> that people will trust, I'd like to hear them. :-) Even if the numbers
> are not favorable, however, I think I'd still argue to turn a11y on by
> default: it's far easier for someone without a disability to turn it off
> than it is for a person with a disability to turn it on.
> Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, den 30.07.2008, 13:11 -0400 schrieb Willie Walker:
> >> Alexander Jones wrote:
> >> > Isn't this a distro decision?
> >> Ultimately, I guess the value for any gconf setting in
> >> schemas/desktop_gnome_interface.schemas can be whatever a distro wants
> >> it to be. What I'm proposing, however, is that the default value that
> >> we choose for GNOME is that accessibility will be enabled by default.
> >> If distros want to revert this back to disabling accessibility, I guess
> >> it would be their choice.
> > What is the motivation for enabling accessibility by default?
> > For the regular user (not handicapped, not a testing engineer) the
> > accessibility bridge just consumes resources without providing any
> > benefit - AFAIKS.
> > Why can't ï»¿accessibility be activated on demand? With D-Bus activation
> > we have the platform for enabling such features on demand.
> > Ciao,
> > Mathias
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