Re: comment about gnome architecture
- From: "John (J5) Palmieri" <johnp martianrock com>
- To: Alan <alan ufies org>
- Cc: desktop-devel <desktop-devel-list gnome org>
- Subject: Re: comment about gnome architecture
- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:05:43 -0500
On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 15:15, Alan wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 01:11:38PM +0100, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote:
<snip>
> > Should the barrage of unfocused comments being thrown at us really turn
> > a blind eye to features users have a right to expect from us given our
> > long-term goals ?
>
> I have to agree. Just because someone's comments are long don't mean
> they don't have merit, or a good point. Personally I have to agree with
> the comment. Something like VB is indeed evil, but giving users a quick
> and easy way to write apps was a huge boost to the windows world. 99%
> of a simple app could be "written" by clicking and dragging and it gave
> users the power to create what was missing. I remember writing a
> picture viewer in a couple of hours years and years ago.
>
> If the commenter was not "well informed" then why weren't they?
> Assuming it's not a troll (and I doubt it was), is the information out
> there about the interfaces or ease of gnome programming lacking, or just
> not available?
The biggest thing I have heard on this subject from people who are
unfamiliar to the Gnome process is that documentation is hard to
find/not in one area. When I point them to devhelp and gtk.org they
then get a bit more friendly. I think they expect to go to gnome.org
and have a link right off the main page. The web page is a known issue
that I hear is being worked on, but those not in the know just assume
there is nothing going on until they can see the results.
As for a nice drag and drop programming interface there are a couple of
projects working to that goal, all be it slowly. There is the project I
work on, Scaffold, which needs a lot of love before we even think about
DnD widgets though it is a stated goal; Anjuta, which is well
established but also needing love in the ease of use area; and Eclipse's
GUI project which just got started. Right now I am working on parsing
the code structure to allow for easy construction of gobjects. That
same code will be able to add signal handlers when a user creates one in
an embedded glade. Glade needs to get to the point that it is
embeddable. So there is a lot of intial things that need to happen
before we can have a truly RAD IDE. That being said, once it does
happen, using languages like python and perl in conjunction with a RAD
IDE we can have an enviornment that is just as easy for newbies as VB.
The infrastructure/architecture realy is there, we just need to pull the
pieces together. As certaint pieces fall into place, devlopment of
these RAD IDE's (and other apps) will pick up steam.
--
J5
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