Re: Awesome new Mozilla roadmap!

[Kjartan Maraas <kmaraas online no>]

s?, 06.04.2003 kl. 23.43 skrev Ali Akcaagac:
> On Sunday 06 April 2003 23:28, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote:
> > If you think KDE is so incredibly wonderful, and GNOME is so incredibly
> > horrible, why don't you just use KDE and forget about GNOME? What is the
> > point of writing message after message after message about how bad GNOME
> > is when you don't use it, you don't care about it and you don't think it
> > has a future?
> 
> This is a very good point and you should get an answer to it. I very much 
> would like to make a clean cut on GNOME and continue using KDE and don't look 
> back at GNOME unfortunately your team spent a lot effort putting all sorts of 
> GNOME material in other projects such as XFree86, libPNG, OpenSSL and so on.

What GNOME material are you talking about? I'm really interested. If
you're thinking about libxml2 I think you're way off base. AFAIK libxml2
is at the very bottom of our dependency chain and it doesn't depend on
any GNOME stuff at all. You should know since you actually made GNOME
build scripts earlier. If it's some other lib or code I'm really
interested in hearing what it is and why it's bad to have it there.

>  
> If we find an agreement that this stuff is seamless removed from these 
> projects then I could say that I use a GNOME free system and we would all end 
> as happy people. You as GNOME users/developers on your side and we as KDE 
> users and developers on our side. Since this is not possible, deal with my 
> comments.
> 
Trying to :-)

> And now I hope we could calm down a bit again and look what kind of feedback 
> we are writing each others. Look at the initial post and look where we are 
> right now. This is the usual way you people behave. A normal user feedback 
> which was meant as normal feedback turned around over and over again and ends 
> in the way that we both need to take a hammer into the hand and slam our 
> heads with it. That's another reason why GNOME makes no progress. You do this 
> on your own people, with other people..
> 
This goes both ways. You make broad generalising statements and the
other side fires back with short insults. Not a very good way to
communicate. Not that I'm laying all blame on your end, but I think you
should ask yourself if you could have approached this in a different
manner to a better result. When you knock your head against something
for long enough I think it's wise to see if there's a way around...

> Should we continue this way of email exchange on an open Mailinglist or do you 
> think you could calm down again and get back to normal conversation ? I 
> pretty much stated my opinion why I think GNOME lacks a lot of things and all 
> I recived as email was pretty much getting fooled for my opinion.

You've stated a lot of things, but I think we need to change the form to
get anyhere.

Here's my free advice (doesn't come with a warranty though :)

- Don't write an essay loaded with subjective opinions and expect to get
objectiveness in return.

- Don't post messages containing 20 different things you think needs
fixing. This will only bring us to this point over and over again.

- Try focusing on one issue at a time and use the right forum for that
problem. Be objective and stick to facts at all times.

- Use bugzilla (even though I know you don't like it)

- Be nice :-) (That goes for you too Christian =)

Happiness to all involved.

Cheers
Kjartan