Hi ICOS team, hi Emily,
Any objections please speak up. I wouldn't mind myself as I was written
on a public mailing list. :)
Does gnome.asia committee also have public mailing list for us to
participate in?
Kindly regards,
-Andrew
> <http://gnome.asia>?
Emily Chen wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Do you mind me to forward this email to core member of gnome.asia
>> 发件人： *Andrew Lee* <ajqlee debian org <mailto:ajqlee debian org>>
> It will be helpful for our committee to understand more about icos.
>
> -Emily
>
> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
> 日期： 2010年2月28日 上午12:17> 收件人： icos2010 googlegroups com <mailto:icos2010 googlegroups com>
> 主题： Re: Priorities(及總召的告白)
> 抄送： Joy Tang <unitydrum gmail com <mailto:unitydrum gmail com>>,
> Juergen Neumann <j neumann ergomedia de> <mailto:j neumann ergomedia de>>, Christian Kuelker
> <christian kuelker cipworx org <mailto:christian kuelker cipworx org>>,
> Emily Chen <emilychen522 gmail com <mailto:emilychen522 gmail com>>,
> Hector Oron <hector oron gmail com <mailto:hector oron gmail com>>,
> Jonas Smedegaard <dr jones dk <mailto:dr jones dk>>
>> 寫這麼多, 是因為 debian.asia <http://debian.asia> 與 gnome.asia>
>
> Dear Prof.Hung, (hi ICOS team and our international connections)
>
> Thanks Prof.Hung, you shared your hearts with us in this long email.
>
> (cc to Joy, Juergen, Christian, Hector, Jonas, Emily who should be
> involved in the inline reply below)
>
> Prof.Hung is the leader of the ICOS 2010 event. He needs our help to
> make a successful international event. And I believe work together with
> community is the most beautiful and powerful thing that may change this
> world.
>
> 洪朝貴 wrote:
>> 考量參與的人力﹑ 現實資源的變動 (e.g. 高市撤補助)﹑
>
> Update: Candy has found the sponsorship program from Kaohsiung Gov again
> which mentioned in another mail. We should start to write up proposal to
> apply the funds.
>
>> 個人的能力/興趣/人脈資源, 爐主有以下幾個優先考慮 &
>> 特別期待大家支持的工作方向:
>>
>> A. 錢不一定要募得很多, 但要盡量花在刀口上
>> 例如 Andrew 先前提到講師費可否省下來, 很值得大家討論。
>> (去年講師費近三十萬, 是開銷的大宗)
>
> I don't know what everybody think about this? I felt myself the lecturer
> fee is nice to have, but not a 'must have'. Instead, we may use this
> money to make day-trip or formal dinner to creates more communications
> and fun resuts. (even though this needs more organize effort)
>
> (And we may consider to change this tradition only if we don't have
> enough sponsorship in the end. or everybody think we should change. :))
>
>> B. 外國講者不一定要邀請很多, 但要充份與國人互動
>> 例如, 如果有多位 icos2010 籌備朋友可以邀請外國講者,
>> 那幾個國內社群可以替他們所邀請的講者安排最多的
>> (icos 之外的) 公開活動, 我們是否就優先補助這幾位講者的機票?
>> 把 icos 拿來提升臺灣的自由軟體生態 (例如順便到
>> 各地的 lugs﹑ 各大學﹑ 公務員研習演講), 優先於衝高
>> icos 自身的聲勢與人氣。
>
> True. And I think the best is provide a way to let speakers to open
> their time and schedule themselves on ICOS website. So that lugs,
> universities, vendors... may invite them or organize/arrange such
> off-side fun events.
>
>> C. 以 "應用" 為大宗: 關於教育﹑ 觀光﹑ 在臺外籍人士
>> 三大項, 我有很多想法; list 也有很多朋友可幫忙。
>> 計畫書的部分, 我想以此為主軸, 有初稿時會補很多細節,
>> 再請大家指教。
>
> Yes, and also add various different tracks in all kinds of topics to
> attract more people to interchange ideas and meet each other.
>
>> D. 在不增加其他人的負擔 (工作量 & 經費) 的前提下,
>> 歡迎大家放入與 C 大異其趣的議題。 同樣的成本下,
>> 能讓 icos2010 更多元的議題, 當然多多益善。
>> (只要講者不介意聽眾可能不多。) 例如若您能從他處找到經費邀請
>> Linus Torvalds 或 Tomáš Matějíček (我這幾年的偶像,
>> slax 開發者) 即使他的演講只有小眾有興趣, 即使他只在
>> icos 演講一場, 也都很歡迎。
>
> It's a good idea to invite Linus. As he is father of linux, all kinds of
> media may interested and would make ICOS even more visible if we can get
> him. \o/
>
> Through Joy Tang's connection. I meet up with Juergen Neumann who is one
> of the organizer for OpenTech Summit 2008 while my trip in Berlin a few
> days ago. And we were drinking together with my friend Christian who
> host me in his flat in Berlin. Christian works in a hardware company,
> and knows Asia pretty much as he can read/speak Japanese well.
>
> Throught their views, we come out an idea to have an _embedded track_
> instead of _open hardware_. And Juergen mentioned he would help through
> his connections to invite Linus Torvalds. I believe such track may
> helpful on increase sponsorship and Christian may also help with his
> connection to bring us embedded hardware speakers.
>
> As I was attending an international developer conference in Germany. I
> also meet ICOS 2009 speakers Hector Oron and Jonas Smedegaard who are
> involved in debian-embedded again. Cc to them as I believe they would
> also love to help through their connections to enrich the embedded track
> for ICOS.
>
>> E. 若有人能負責大額且多元的募款, 歡迎大大改變上述 A-D
>> 的方向。 出錢出力的人最大 :-) 多元的意思: 要避免有
>> 「微軟贊助 100 萬給今年 icos」 的情況發生。
>> 哈哈我愛說笑。 請容我預先以小人之心度君子之腹。
>>
> <http://gnome.asia>
>> 給我帶來很大的壓力。 得知高市府取消國際會議補助辦法,>> 建議 Andrew 及其他期待 debian.asia <http://debian.asia> 與 gnome.asia
>
> I did not intend to bringing you the pressures. Don't be worry as the
> ICOS is not for one man, it's an international event for everyone who
> participate in. And we have team structure I believe we may solve this
> problem eventually through everyone's help, contribution and connections.
>
>> 並讀了 Andrew 給的網址之後, 昨晚再失眠一次。
>> 特別是 Howto 那一頁提到: "Sponsors tend to budget
>> their participation in events one year ahead.
>> You might find exceptions if you are lucky, ..."
> <http://gnome.asia>
>> 的朋友, 現在就要開始與兩個組織聯絡, 籌畫 icos 2011>> 在此請求 Andrew 及其他期待 debian.asia <http://debian.asia> 與
>> 的募款行動 (特別是與國際公司打交道, 應由國際組織出面,
>> 效果可能比較好; checklist 那一頁裡也有提到。)
> gnome.asia <http://gnome.asia>
>> 的朋友原諒。 "With the sponsors there is a core rule:
>> make them excited about Summit" 如果連我們自己籌辦人員,
>> 只有 Andrew 與我兩人 (anyone else?) 瞄過這兩頁,
>> 恐怕我們自己都算不上是 excited, 更何況是 sponsors?
>> 三月底的 deadline, 一月才開始傷腦筋, 連向國際大廠募款都沒概念,
>> 怎麼可能在今年辦好這兩個大的國際活動?
>> 去年的 icos 能放入 mini debian conf, 實在是丁丁與
>> Andrew 太厲害了; 我沒有經驗, 不想冒這個風險,
>
> That's because of Apple, 丁老師, 莊老師, Candy, 阿豪, marr and many
> people's help in the 2009 team and also the international community work
> to make mini-DebConf come true last year.
>
> Even though I explained this through the communitis and projects
> engagement status report during the meeting at Wenzao. Let's do it again
> for short and clear for new people here.
>
> As the info from Emily who is one of the Gnome.Asia Committee:
>
> Gnome.Asia Committee would help on:
> 1. Call for sponsorship from international company: like Google,
> IBM, Redhat, etc...
> 2. Ask for travel subsidy from GNOME foudation
> 3. Call for participants all around the world/community
> 4. Website management, invite international speakers
>
> ICOS and local team should work on:
> 1. Basic infrastructure , like venue, projector, network etc
> 2. Audience, Gnome.Asia target at developer, students, community
> 3. keynotes and 3 + tracks for technical talks
> 4. booth, hands on labs areas etc.
>
> The Debian mini-DebConf and oneVillage Community day tracks were also
> done in similar way last year. Now what we need to do is write the
> proposal to host Gnome.Asia Summit together with Emily.
>
> And there is a ICOS 2009 mini-debConf follow up Debian event in
> Thailand[0] next month. I will meet up and design Asia Debian
> mini-DebConf 2010 together with Debian folks from Australia, Asia and
> Europe during the event and update you later.
>
>> 更不想被這件事綁住, 致使無力進行自己最有興趣的
>> 教育/觀光/外語族群規畫。
>
> I wish to do it together with you on such topics as I also interested
> and have been engaged with international communities on such related topics.
>
>> 但若 _現在開始_ 建一個 icos2011 的 list,
>> 現在開始討論 icos2011 (誰當總召?) 這兩個重大的國際會議,
>> 我相信明年還是大可期待的。
>
> I do not intend to hold the title of leader or somewhat to being to help
> on ICOS nor on contributing to open source movement in the world.
>
> Don't wait until next year, let's do it in positive way as trying our
> best now. Nobody from international community would complain or blame
> you nor us even we failed while doing it all together.
>
>> 感謝大家耐心看完 & 祝大家新年開工大吉!
>
> Thanks for reading this long email. And look forward to hear comments
> from you.
>
> [0] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianThailand/MiniDebCamp2010
>
> Kindly regards,
>
> -Andrew
>