Re: [orca-list] Incorporating Storm Dragon's customizations



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Hi
I don't think the at-spi framework itself can work that way yet. It
would be very nice if it did, that would put Orca on an equal footing
with Apple's Voiceover in a very important area. It's not Orca forcing
the logout as best I understand it. Personally, I think the problem is
that at-spi is optional at all. It should be enabled, forceably, at all
times. Not only would this eliminate the login/logout issue, but it
would also *force* application developers to make applications stable
under at-spi. We'd see an end to at-spi related crashes of applications
as a result, and having instant access to Orca would be a seriously
awesome side benefit.

On 04/12/2010 06:33 PM, Alex H. wrote:
As usual, differing opinions, which is fine.

I partly agree that a screen reader shouldn't look up the weather for
you, but this is up to the user to install the script or not.  Plus
this still doesn't tackle starting at-spi and logging out and back in
on a public computer.

Alex

On 4/12/10, Jacob Schmude <j schmude gmail com> wrote:
Hi
I only agree to a point. I agree there should be a default key to turn
on Orca. Interestingly, in systems like Ubuntu, there is an
accessibility shortcut you can assign that says "toggle screenreader"
but as far as I've been able to determine, once assigned, it doesn't
actually do anything. I had to create a shortcut key to start Orca myself.
The three customizations I would integrate are time, date, and battery
status. Possibly the clipboard reading keys too. The others though I do
not believe should be integrated into Orca. It is not the place of a
screen reader to look up the weather for you, nor should it change the
system volume. I don't buy that multimedia keys "hard to find" idea,
they're no harder to find than any other nonstandard key and you only
have to find them once and then you know where they are. Also, if you
don't like the multimedia keys, just reassign the volume up/down/mute
keys in gnome's keyboard shortcut preferences. That's what they're there
for, let's not duplicate functionality that really has nothing to do
with Orca in the first place.
However, while I'd integrate the three shortcuts listed above, I'd
change how they're done. It should probably be avoided calling shell
commands that might not be there, in particular the acpi command for
battery status isn't usually installed by default. It should probably
query GNOME for this information instead if such is possible and, in the
case of the time/date keys, honor your regional configurations along
with it.

What does everyone think?

On 04/12/2010 12:38 PM, Bill Cox wrote:
Storm Dragon has a cool and very useful set of customizations he adds
to Orca.  He has a web-page for generating a customized
orca-customizations.py file:

http://www.stormdragon.us/orca-customizations/

We ship his customizations in Vinux by default, but it would be pretty
nice if they were simply part of Orca's default setup, in my opinion.
I feel particularly strong about his new volume control keybindings.
As a goal, I feel the Linux community should try and make all the
major Linux distros accessible by default to the blind, which will
require a standard Gnome keybinding for launching Orca, which should
likely be Control+Alt+o.  Once that's done, blind users will still
need to be able to control the volume, which is normally on
multi-media keys, and hard to find.  Public Linux boxes also tend to
be muted by sighted users, so a blind person will need access to the
volumee controls.

Bill
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