Re: [orca-list] Cursor Tracking, Orca, and Braille

[John covici <covici ccs covici com>]

What I do know is that on my Braillex Elba there is a switch
(simulated) which causes Brltty to move the cursor when the window is
moved.  I don't know if this has been implemented for other displays.

on Monday 06/01/2009 Willie Walker(William Walker Sun COM) wrote
 > Hi John:
 > 
 > I think what might be nice is a way to have BrlTTY synthesize keyboard 
 > navigation keys (e.g., arrow, page up/down, and tab) so the user does 
 > not have to move their hands from the braille display in order to 
 > navigate content.
 > 
 > I started looking at this again about a month ago with Samual Thibault, 
 > and I believe the answer is to use xbrlapi in conjunction with brltty. 
 > The idea is that xbrlapi would interpret commands on the braille display 
 > and would then synthesize events for you.  I'm not sure my braille 
 > display has enough buttons to let me generate arrow/page/tab keys, though.
 > 
 > If someone has been successful using xbrlapi to do this kind of thing, 
 > please let us know.
 > 
 > Will
 > 
 > On 05/30/09 15:31, John covici wrote:
 > > Using Brltty, you should be able to track the cursor, depending on the
 > > display, put Brltty in learn mode and you should find a key
 > > combination to follow the cursor.
 > >
 > > on Friday 05/29/2009 Teresa Cochran(pipistrelle cox net) wrote
 > >   >  Thanks, Will. I've tried to use the arrow emulation, but it doesn't
 > >   >  work. I'd love to, though, especially considering the way columns are
 > >   >  read (or not read) on web pages using flat review.. i.e. I have to read
 > >   >  straight across the width of the screen, and that's a tad confusing.
 > >   >
 > >   >  I'll follow this thread with interest, and thanks again.
 > >   >
 > >   >  Teresa
 > >   >
 > >   >  On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 08:32 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
 > >   >  >  Hi Teresa:
 > >   >  >
 > >   >  >  Aha - so, it sounds like what you're doing is using the flat review
 > >   >  >  commands to navigate the content.  The flat review will only review the
 > >   >  >  visible text on the window.
 > >   >  >
 > >   >  >  Orca's flat review feature was not designed as the primary operating
 > >   >  >  mode for Orca.  Instead, the focus tracking mode is the preferred (and
 > >   >  >  default) mode.  With the the focus tracking mode, you navigate an
 > >   >  >  application as any user would -- you'd use the built in keyboard
 > >   >  >  navigation techniques for the application.  So, for Firefox, you'd use
 > >   >  >  the arrow keys, page up/down keys, the built-in 'find' mechanism of
 > >   >  >  Firefox, etc.
 > >   >  >
 > >   >  >  BrlTTY apparently has some features to allow you to emulate keyboard
 > >   >  >  keystrokes from the braille device itself, but I've never been quite
 > >   >  >  able to figure out exactly how to make it work.  I came pretty close
 > >   >  >  recently, but never got there fully.
 > >   >  >
 > >   >  >  If someone on this list has some tips for how people can use their
 > >   >  >  braille display to arrow and page around the content, please let us
 > >   >  >  know.  We can try to document it on the WIKI.  In addition, if there is
 > >   >  >  something Orca is currently doing to prevent you from doing this,
 > >   >  >  please also let us know and we can try to enable it.
 > >   >  >
 > >   >  >  Will
 > >   >  >
 > >   >  >  On May 28, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 > >   >  >
 > >   >  >  >  Hi, will,
 > >   >  >  >
 > >   >  >  >  I'm using a Braille Lite 40, and I'm reading with the advance bars. I
 > >   >  >  >  can't go past the bottom of the window, and sometimes I just have to
 > >   >  >  >  use
 > >   >  >  >  the cursor-routing keys above the display characters. However, when I
 > >   >  >  >  press the bar to advance, I hit the tool bar at the top of the window,
 > >   >  >  >  and the text does not continue. It repeats the previous screen of text.
 > >   >  >  >
 > >   >  >  >  I've sometimes successfully routed the cursor, then pressed numpad
 > >   >  >  >  minus
 > >   >  >  >  to route the mouse pointer. This doesn't always work, and it also means
 > >   >  >  >  navigating past the toolbar, address bar, and other window objects
 > >   >  >  >  before I get to the text.
 > >   >  >  >
 > >   >  >  >  Thanks,
 > >   >  >  >  Teresa
 > >   >  >  >
 > >   >  >  >  On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:51 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
 > >   >  >  >>  Hi Teresa:
 > >   >  >  >>
 > >   >  >  >>  How are you navigating the web pages (i.e., what physical action on
 > >   >  >  >>  what
 > >   >  >  >>  device are you performing)?
 > >   >  >  >>
 > >   >  >  >>  Will
 > >   >  >  >>
 > >   >  >  >>  Teresa Cochran wrote:
 > >   >  >  >>>  Hello, folk,
 > >   >  >  >>>
 > >   >  >  >>>  I'm attempting to read web pages in firefox with Braille and Orca. It
 > >   >  >  >>>  seems the Braille tracks the mouse pointer. Is there any way to have
 > >   >  >  >>>  it
 > >   >  >  >>>  track the caret? If not, how can I scroll past the bottom of the
 > >   >  >  >>>  window
 > >   >  >  >>>  or scroll the page down using Braille?
 > >   >  >  >>>
 > >   >  >  >>>  thanks,
 > >   >  >  >>>  Teresa
 > >   >  >  >>>
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