Re: [guadec-list] gender field in registration system

[Christopher Svanefalk <christopher svanefalk gmail com>]

Better to just please everybody, I guess, if there really are people who feel that strongly about it. Perhaps a public notice will be enough for this year, so we can do it more properly next year.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 6:24 PM Ekaterina Gerasimova <kittykat3756 gmail com> wrote:

The reason this has been brought up is because there were been
complaints in previous years from people who were contacted and did
not want to receive the mail.

Coincidentally, the gender field is not being used for contacting
people this year as per the first email from Marina. I did not fill it
in and I have been contacted already. This sort of behaviour is what
polarises people over the issue. It doesn't help that the same email
has already been sent to gnome-women-list as well.

On 4 August 2015 at 20:11, Christopher Svanefalk
<christopher svanefalk gmail com> wrote:
> IANAL, but the way I read the law regarding unsolicited email, it simply
> means you should not be sending existing or potential consumers any
> solicitation for commercial products or services. In this case we are just
> sending a friendly notice that there will be a women's dinner, and a pointer
> who to speak to.
>
> If you really want to get deep with it, I am sure we are already violating
> 50-some other regulations already that we are not even aware of, anyway.
> This one is not really even a violation.
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 7:55 PM Pascal Terjan <pterjan gmail com> wrote:
>>
>> On 4 August 2015 at 17:44, Mattias Bengtsson
>> <mattias jc bengtsson gmail com> wrote:
>> > On tis, 2015-08-04 at 14:23 +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Marina Zhurakhinskaya
>> >> <marinazik gmail com> wrote:
>> >> > Hi Alexandre,
>> >>
>> >> Hey,
>> >>
>> >> > Thank you for relating this. I think the downside of someone
>> >> > getting
>> >> > an invitation they are not interested in is relatively small, so
>> >> > it's
>> >> > probably not worth having a separate checkbox for opt in for an
>> >> > invitation. I know people prefer to keep the registration page
>> >> > short.
>> >>
>> >> That's because you're in a US-centric mindset. There's a difference
>> >> between the law in the US and in Europe: US is opt-out by default,
>> >> Europe is opt-in by default.
>> >>
>> >> European people see unsolicited contact as a very bad thing, and the
>> >> usual "Here's a piece of information about our thing, if you don't
>> >> want to hear from us again just unsubscribe using the link at the
>> >> bottom" is actually not ok.
>> >
>> > Oh come on! It's just an E-mail. It's not like anyone's getting
>> > unwanted phone calls, it's also directly related to an event you have
>> > signed up for.
>>
>> But is there a way to say we don't want to receive any email?
>> If not we can't use the address to send emails related to the conference
>> or not.
>> This is required by european law (at the time when the email is
>> collected, and again in each email).
>>
>>
>> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32002L0058:en:HTML
>>
>> > Also the thing about European vs American mindset... Neither Europeans
>> > nor US citizens are homogeneous groups. The opinions will surely differ
>> > more between citizens inside a country or continent than the aggregate
>> > opinion will differ between continents and countries.
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