Re: Can we improve things?

[Julien PUYDT <julien puydt laposte net>]

Vincent Untz a écrit :
>  + a few people are trying to fix the current process by writing the
>    software needed (for NewAccounts, but I imagine it could be extended
>    for things like planet). Maybe help is needed to get things ready
>    (and maybe not), but nobody proposed to help :/

Ah, if you're talking about writing software, you're hitting the soft 
spot : quite a few of us have knowledge about doing exactly that. 
Perhaps an explanation about what is needed and what has already been 
done could help there.

>  + this should go live soon, as Olav explained (that's why we needed to
>    enforce the new MAINTAINERS format), so maybe we can wait for it to
>    go live and see how it goes before throwing everything.

Could you explain more about the link with the new MAINTAINERS format? 
This looks typically like a "I didn't even know about it -- so I 
couldn't either help or be more comprehensive" case...

>  + this discussion is helpful in some ways, but I'm not sure we're
>    getting the most out of it. Eg, I've read here and there that there
>    are no clear guidelines for inclusion on planet or for hackergotchis.
>    There were some replies about the current guidelines and suggested
>    guidelines, and I don't think anybody took them and put them down
>    somewhere. Maybe this would be a good way to start solving this
>    specific issue.

For the planet, the problem is that as there is a single point of 
failure, namely that it bears on a single person's shoulders and :
- being sick can happen ;
- being on the move can happen ;
- having no time for that can happen!

and this is without mentioning that having no clear guideline about who 
gets included or not leads to nasty suspicions of nepotism...

>  + we only have a few really active infrastructure people, and they're
>    trying to fix issues. They can't fix everything at once. We're a very
>    big project, and I'm not surprised to see such issues because we need
>    more help with our infrastructure. It's easy to propose to help, but
>    what we need is people who can help and stay, because we'll have
>    issues again in the future. That being said, I'm not in the
>    infrastructure team and I can't say where help is needed.

Agreed. There are other very big projects out there (debian, gentoo and 
kde to name a few), perhaps there's something to learn from their 
mistakes or achievements.

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