Re: [Evolution] Question about IMAP folders (Patrick Kelecy)

["Patrick M. Kelecy" <pkelecy insightbb com>]

Thanks to everyone who responded to this.  The explanations really
helped, and I understand better now how it works.

There is just one thing I wanted to clarify with regard to the virtual
"Junk" and "Trash" folders: -those are created by Evo (not the server) -
right?  And as I understand it, those are there just to show the user
which messages have been marked as spam and which have been marked for
"expunging".  -Is that correct?

Thanks again.  -Pat


> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:36:43 -0500
> From: "Art Alexion" <art RHD ORG>
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Question about IMAP folders
> To: "Patrick M. Kelecy" <pkelecy magneticpowermotion com>
> Cc: Evolution User Group <evolution-list gnome org>
> Message-ID: <1201531003 6260 42 camel art-ubuntu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 08:49 -0500, Patrick M. Kelecy wrote:
> > 1. Organizationally, this is a little confusing.  Why are the imap
> > folders (drafts, sent, and trash) listed under inbox, rather than at
> > the
> > same level with it?  Having those within the inbox folder doesn't seem
> > logical.  On the IMAP server (looking at it via a webmail client,
> > Hordemail) it shows the main IMAP account with *four* folders under
> > it:
> > inbox, drafts, sent, and trash. That's how I would expect Evo to
> > handle
> > it as well.
> 
> What you are seeing via webmail is just based on the web programmer's
> choice of presentation and may not really reflect the structure on the
> server.  Evo will basically present you with the structure on the
> server.  You may be able to move the folders using Evo to suit your
> needs.  Drag and drop as you would local folders.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 2. Are the folders, Junk and Trash (the ones listed at the same level
> > as
> > Inbox) local only?
> 
> No local folders are listed under "On This Computer"
> 
> 
> > 
> > 3. I have a couple of POP mail accounts I would like to switch to
> > IMAP.
> > To do this, do I just create new IMAP accounts with the same name and
> > folder structure and then drag mail from one to the other?
> 
> I'm not clear on what you want to accomplish.  To begin understanding
> IMAP, just envision that Evo is presenting you with the folders as they
> appear on your ISP's server.  When you do things with folders in Evo,
> you are making the changes on the server.  It is not the same, but
> comparable to using FTP to move files and folders on a server.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Art Alexion
> MIS
> x3075
> -------------- next part --------------
> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> Name: not available
> Type: application/pgp-signature
> Size: 189 bytes
> Desc: This is a digitally signed message part
> Url : /archives/evolution-list/attachments/20080128/4e1d333e/attachment.bin 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:01:40 +0000
> From: Pete Biggs <pete biggs org uk>
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Question about IMAP folders
> To: evolution-list gnome org
> Message-ID: <1201532500 30419 90 camel snoopy chem ox ac uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 1. Organizationally, this is a little confusing.  Why are the imap
> > folders (drafts, sent, and trash) listed under inbox, rather than at the
> > same level with it?  Having those within the inbox folder doesn't seem
> > logical.  On the IMAP server (looking at it via a webmail client,
> > Hordemail) it shows the main IMAP account with *four* folders under it:
> > inbox, drafts, sent, and trash. That's how I would expect Evo to handle
> > it as well.
> 
> It depends on how your IMAP server presents the information to Evo.  The
> way you are describing is, I think, the way Cyrus does it.  Certainly my
> IMAP server (Dovecot) does it how you want.
> 
> > 
> > 2. Are the folders, Junk and Trash (the ones listed at the same level as
> > Inbox) local only?
> 
> 
> The Junk & Trash are virtual folders - Trash is a list of all the mails
> marked for deletion - Junk are all those marked as spam.
> 
> Note that with IMAP there's no such thing as 'delete' - you mark the
> messages for deletion, and then expunge them.
> 
> P.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:31:13 +0530
> From: Srinivasa Ragavan <sragavan novell com>
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] New Mail Notification Applet
> To: Des Dougan <des DouganConsulting com>
> Cc: Evolution Mailing List <evolution-list gnome org>
> Message-ID: <1201539673 4106 23 camel sragavan blr novell com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> Des,
> 
> Evolution 2.22 will have the option (notify for other folders also)that
> you are looking for. And regarding the raise of the window, I remember I
> received a patch but that still needed some work which didn't happen.
> 
> -Srini.
> On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 20:31 -0800, Des Dougan wrote:
> > I'm running 2.12 on SuSE 10.3, and like the new mail notification
> > applet; however, it only notifies on inboxes, doesn't seem to be
> > configurable via the Edit, Plugins menu, nor does it raise the Evo
> > window when clicked on.
> > 
> > Can it be configured to do any of these things?
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Des
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:47:20 -0430
> From: Patrick O'Callaghan <poc usb ve>
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Question about IMAP folders
> To: "Patrick M. Kelecy" <pkelecy magneticpowermotion com>
> Cc: Evolution User Group <evolution-list gnome org>
> Message-ID: <1201540640 11839 7 camel gnat ldc usb ve>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 08:49 -0500, Patrick M. Kelecy wrote:
> > I'm using Evolution for my email client and have some questions about
> > how Evolution handles IMAP folders (up until now I've been using POP
> > only).  I created a test IMAP account over the weekend, and noticed that
> > when I did that Evolution created three folders under that mail account
> > heading: Inbox, Junk, and Trash.  I also noticed that within the Inbox
> > folder were subfolders (Drafts, Sent, and Trash) that matched folders on
> > the IMAP server. I assume these are the "subscribed" folders that stay
> > synchronized. This leads to my questions:
> > 
> > 1. Organizationally, this is a little confusing.  Why are the imap
> > folders (drafts, sent, and trash) listed under inbox, rather than at the
> > same level with it?  Having those within the inbox folder doesn't seem
> > logical.  On the IMAP server (looking at it via a webmail client,
> > Hordemail) it shows the main IMAP account with *four* folders under it:
> > inbox, drafts, sent, and trash. That's how I would expect Evo to handle
> > it as well.
> 
> The default presentation for Cyrus IMAP servers is for everything to
> hang from Inbox, however the server admin can set a flag (system-wide
> unfortunately, not per-user) for the alternative layout, known as
> "anonymous root", where Inbox is at the same level as the other folders.
> My Cyrus server does this so I get the view you prefer, but it's the
> server admin who has to make the change. Evo simply follows the server
> layout.
> 
> The webmail client of course can do whatever it likes regarding
> presentation.
> 
> > 2. Are the folders, Junk and Trash (the ones listed at the same level as
> > Inbox) local only?
> 
> Junk and Trash are virtual folders, i.e. they do not exist on the
> server. They are simply views into your other folders which select
> messages which are deleted or marked as junk. Note that if you have a
> Trash folder on the server (perhaps beacuse of some other client) you
> will see both Trash folders in Evo. They have different icons so you can
> tell which is which, but Evo will not use the server-side folder for
> deleted messages. AFAIK there's no way to change this.
> 
> > 3. I have a couple of POP mail accounts I would like to switch to IMAP.
> > To do this, do I just create new IMAP accounts with the same name and
> > folder structure and then drag mail from one to the other?
> 
> Basically yes, but see my earlier message on this.
> 
> poc
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:07:36 -0300
> From: Gerencia -Trading New Technologies <admin tnt-lab com ar>
> Subject: [Evolution] admin tnt-lab com ar
> To: evolution-list gnome org
> Message-ID: <1201532856 4633 50 camel tnt tnt site>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> To whom it may concern,
> 
> I've started using Linux Suse in my company 6 years ago, from version 9
> to 10.3. Today I'm installing version ALFA 11.
> I'd like toi know the way I can help. I've noticed some useful stuff to
> make this soft better.
> I find very useful exporting accounts to be able to save them in a
> backup, and/ or import them to another PC making the necessary changes.
> Another very important thing to import/export are the message filtration
> rules because they are useful in all the PCs of a company.
> Thanks for your attention.
> Best regards,
> 
> Estimados
> Desde hace 6 a?os que implemente Linux Suse en mi empresa con evolution
> desde la versi?n 9 a la 10.3. Hoy estoy instalando la versi?n ALFA 11.
> Desear?a saber como colaborar. He visto algunas cosas que serian muy
> ?tiles para mejorar este soft.
> Encuentro muy ?til el poder exportar las cuentas para poder resguardarla
> en un backup y/o poder importarlas en distintas PC haciendo los cambios
> pertinentes.
> Otra cosa muy importante para exportar e importar son las reglas de
> filtrado de mensajes, ya que estas sirven para todas las PC de una
> empresas.
> Desde Ya muchas gracias
> atte
> 
> 
> -  
>       Garcia Traba Ariel H
>        Socio - Presidente
> Trading New Technologies S.A.
> + 54 +11 4137 6776 (Rot + fax)
> 
> Este mensaje y sus adjuntos son para uso exclusivo del usuario de la
> direcci?n de correo electr?nico a quien esta dirigido y podr?an contener
> informaci?n confidencial. Si usted hubiese recibido por error este
> mensaje, por favor informe de tal situaci?n inmediatamente a
> admin tnt-lab com ar y elim?nelo de su sistema. No lo copie, reproduzca,
> distribuya ni revele su contenido.
> No se garantiza la seguridad o la exactitud de las comunicaciones por
> Internet debido a que la informaci?n podr?a ser interceptada,
> modificada, perdida, llegar tarde o contener virus. El emisor, por lo
> tanto, no acepta responsabilidad por errores u omisiones en el texto de
> este mensaje que surjan a partir de una transmisi?n por Internet.
> 
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: /archives/evolution-list/attachments/20080128/c7be2a88/attachment.html 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:43:33 +0200
> From: Mark J Elkins <mje posix co za>
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Switching from POP to IMAP?
> To: Evolution User Group <evolution-list gnome org>
> Message-ID: <479DEA15 70303 posix co za>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Art Alexion wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 09:42 -0500, Patrick M. Kelecy wrote:
> >   
> >> So my question is how exactly do I make this switch? Is it just a
> >> matter
> >> of setting up the corresponding IMAP accounts in Evo, and the mail
> >> server will take care of the rest, or is there more involved?
> >>     
> >
> > Nothing more to do, mail server will take care of the rest.
> >
> >   
> 
> And this all just works.....
> 
> Then the  other day - I added a Submission port to my Exim server - and 
> trolled around Evolution-2.12.1  (and Google) looking for hints of where 
> to add this...
> Never found any info.
> 
> To 'fix',
> Edit --> Mail-Accounts --> (appropriate account) --> Sending Email --> 
> Server:  ... then append ":587" to the server name and it works just fine.
> (Thats a Colon and Port Number)
> 
> The SMTP "Submission" port is usually configured with some sort of 
> authentication - so that needs appropriate configuration too.
> 
> 
> Later discovered this colon + port principal in the online help under 
> "Receiving Email"
>