Re: Planning for GNOME 3.0

[Sebastian Pölsterl <sebp k-d-w org>]

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Emmanuele Bassi schrieb:
> no need to Cc me in: I'm subscribe to d-d-l.
> 
> On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 16:02 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote:
>  
>>> what do applets provide, nowadays, and are they even remotely useful?
>>> what can deskbar-applet provide that cannot be implemented with
>>> something that does not sit inside a 24x24 icon on the most valued piece
>>> of screen real estate? isn't a gnome-do approach equivalent to the
>>> deskbar-applet? why tomboy-applet is so special? it's basically a
>>> launcher with a custom context menu. also, starting up deskbar-applet
>>> *and* tomboy as applets on my panel causes my desktop more to start up
>>> on login; not great turn ons, especially when there are developers out
>>> there trying to get the boot-to-UI process down in the seconds range.
>>>
> 
>> I agree that the current applet paradigm is outdated and it doesn't do
>> well when you have a lot of applets or an applet that takes some time to
>> load. But those are the problems we want to solve, right? I'm not saying
>> that we should keep the whole applets system, but I want something
>> similar to it.
> 
> why? why should something continuously live on my panel and occupy
> space?
> 
Because you want to know which applets are currently running. In
addition, applets like system monitor need to show up somewhere,
otherwise they are useless.

>>  I don't care if it's called applet or widget or whatever,
>> if it's in the panel or somewhere else. For me the idea of applets is
>> that you can access information/functionality with minimum effort. Let's
>> say deskbar-applet would be an application started from the menu. That
>> would make deskbar-applet useless, because it should help you starting
>> applications and doing tasks with less effort. Now if I have to start
>> deskbar-applet first, I can just open the application I want to in the
>> first place.
> 
> then we don't need an icon, but we need something completely different;
> something that pops up (say) when you press F12; or something that comes
> up when I start typing on an empty workspace.
> 
> I just don't see the need to have something constantly visible on a
> panel or on my screen, when it's all about user-initiated actions. the
> tomboy-applet doesn't need to stay in my notification area (why on earth
> does it stay in my notification area is another matter entirely, but
> let's overlook that for a second) when I don't need to write a note? why
> does it have to start when my desktop starts, when it can start when I
> do need to write a note and be unloaded afterwards?
> 
Keep in mind that not all applets require user interaction, some just
show information and you don't have to interact with them at all (e.g.
system monitor or weather applet).

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Greetings,
Sebastian Pölsterl
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