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[symon cadwallender <kaddy080 gmail com>]

Enough with the unconstructive knit picking.... its a waste of everybodies time 
focus on the issues at hand of the gnome-shell project.... 
get back to the subject at hand


Hi!

Hey, this is not a discrimination! Nobody will sue you for any typos,
grammar faults, missing commas, wrong words, whatever. I guess most
people on the GNOME MLs are not native speakers (me included). People
just want that you write whole sentences and add a period to them.

So rather:

"This is my point even if you disagree. I am willing to accept other
opinions"

instead of

"this is my point...even if you disagree...i am not willing to accept
other opinions..."

The latter is simply difficult to read and therefore people complain on
that style of "language".

Regards,
Johannes

Am Donnerstag, den 20.05.2010, 16:29 +0000 schrieb kaddy080 gmail com:
> should I take that as discrimination? English is not my first
> language..... same as alot of people on the mailing list....But I
> write well enough for
> people to understand... if I am not 100% correct in my
> punctuation/spelling etc..... big deal.... why are we picking on
> peoples punctuation rather
> than trying to resolve the design situation in gnome-shell that 
many
> people are not happy with?
> you know what.... bugger it.... i've had enough........
> i'm moving on away from this dying project....
> goodluck
> unsubscribed
>
> On , Johannes Schmid <jhs jsschmid de>
 wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> >
> >
> > Please, stick to the GNOME Code of Conduct[1] when writing 
posts to
> >
> > GNOME mailing lists.
> >
> >
> >
> > Second, it is a matter of being polite to use correct language
 and
> >
> > punctuation when writing stuff that others are supposed to 
read. We
> are
> >
> > not a club of script kiddies...
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Johannes
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct
> >
> >
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, den 20.05.2010, 16:10 +0000 schrieb
> kaddy080 gmail com:
> >
> > > quote
> >
> > > Please, rewrite this e-mail using correct punctuation, 
full
> sentences
> >
> > > > starting with a capital and ending with one dot, not
 hundreds. I
> >
> > > don't
> >
> > > > even have the courage to read your message as-is. 
Thanks.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > This is not language school... Nor a correct punctuation
> >
> > > contest....Don't tell me how I should write my emails...
> >
> > > I assume you can read and understand english so just deal
 with it
> >
> > >
> >
> > > As for your comments about us complaining about the 
current
> useability
> >
> > > of gnome-shell.. I consider it
> >
> > > constructive criticism... coming from the perspective of 
an
> everyday
> >
> > > user...... if Gnome devs will not listen to the average 
user....
> >
> > > then what? I guess gnome goes down the tube..............
 dot dot
> dot
> >
> > > dot dot...................
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I have no programming experience as alot of us do 
not..... But I
> can
> >
> > > surely tell you if something sucks from the perspective 
of an
> everyday
> >
> > > user needing to get his job done quickly and 
efficiently.... and
> to be
> >
> > > frank... the current statuse of gnome-shell just plain 
sucks...
> >
> > > nothing to be offended about... its the truth, and 
something needs
> to
> >
> > > be done to fix the gaps.... Mostly the responsibility of 
the devs
> >
> > > working on gnome-shell after listening
> >
> > > to feedback from the users and considering contributions 
that make
> >
> > > things easier.... like I said... I am not a programmer, 
but I have
> >
> > > sent design submissions that are more well organised
> >
> > > "design/usability" wise then the current state of 
gnome-shell....
> >
> > > listen to the users
> >
> > >
> >
> > > kaddy
> >
> > > On , Tim Ryan tryan linux com>
 wrote:
> >
> > > > I work with a group of IT folks and most of us are 
using Gnome
> on
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Ubuntu as out main desktop. None of the others have 
been
> following
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > gnome-shell development or this list. I did a bit a 
research
> among
> >
> > > our
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > small group, only seven people, to see how IT people
 use their
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > desktop, and gnome in particular. I mainly asked 
them about the
> >
> > > window
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > switcher on the panel, and asked how they were using
 it.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I personally don't like the current version of 
gnome-shell,
> since it
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > takes away too much functionality, and I don't see 
any way to
> use
> >
> > > the
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > window switcher the way most of us use it. The 
window switcher
> >
> > > applet
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > does not only provide a way of switching between 
running
> >
> > > applications,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > it also give you a instant view of the status of all
 the running
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > applications. You don't have to stop what you are 
doing, they
> are
> >
> > > all
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > there at a quick glance, all the time. I constantly 
have
> multiple
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > windows up, and a quick glance at the panel lets me 
know what I
> >
> > > need.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Are there unread emails? Has compilation finished? 
video finally
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > loaded? To find this out with the shell, I need to 
stop what I'm
> >
> > > doing
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > and go to the overlay, a definite distraction.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I thought maybe I was unusual for using it this way,
 but three
> out
> >
> > > of
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > the seven use it this way. I know this isn't much of
 a sample,
> but
> >
> > > if
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > my little group wants this functionality I'm sure 
there are many
> >
> > > more
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > out there that feel the same.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Tim Ryan
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint 
attachments.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Milan 
Bouchet-Valat
> >
> > > nalimilan club fr>
 wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Le jeudi 20 mai 2010 à 14:33 +0000, kaddy080 gmail com a
> écrit :
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> I am very glad that you are satisfied with 
the current "non
> >
> > > finished"
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> version of gnomeshell and how it handles 
window management..
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> unfortunately there are alot of other 
people out here who
> find
> >
> > > the
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> current handling of windows bothersome, and
 not
> >
> > > straightforward....
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> its a hell of alot easier and
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> quicker to click a minimised application to
 bring it back up
> >
> > > rather
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> than zooming out and zooming in on the app,
 or alt tabbing...
> >
> > > while
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> this may satisfy YOU.... it doesn't satisfy
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> alot of other users.... hence an additional
 modification to
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> gnome-shell to make life easier for the 
"others" such as a
> panel
> >
> > > dock,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> or the ability to click on the minimised 
app in the panel can
> >
> > > only
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> be a good thing.... therefore people who 
are happy to alt
> >
> > > tab/zoom
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> in/out are satisfied.... and those that 
want a quicker
> solution
> >
> > > such
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> as clicking on a dock/minimised app in the 
panel are also
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> satisfied..... otherwise there is going to 
be people on one
> side
> >
> > > or
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> another who are not going to be happy..... I
 have proposed
> the
> >
> > > Panel
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> dock recently.... I don't see why it 
shouldn't be taken
> >
> > > seriously....
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> look at the forums, especially ubuntu 
forums with threads
> about
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> gnome-shell.... most people do not like the
 way gnome-shell
> >
> > > handles
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> windows.... I for one will move to another 
D.E if gnome-shell
> >
> > > gnome 3
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> is half baked and featureless... but I am 
putting my faith in
> the
> >
> > > devs
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> that they will implement a way to use 
gnome-shell easy and
> >
> > > quickly
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> with minimal fuss... The future will be 
interesting to see
> what
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >> happens...........
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Please, rewrite this e-mail using correct 
punctuation, full
> >
> > > sentences
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > starting with a capital and ending with one 
dot, not hundreds.
> I
> >
> > > don't
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > even have the courage to read your message 
as-is. Thanks.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Only actual user testing will be able to decide
 whether people
> >
> > > usually
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > feel good with the overview to switch apps, or 
whether they
> adapt
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > reasonably well after some time, being as happy
 as before.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > See
> >
> > > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/UsabilityTesting/PhaseI
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > That said, I'm concerned that we, advanced 
users, make a
> intensive
> >
> > > use
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > of Alt+Tab currently, effectively often 
avoiding the overview.
> >
> > > People
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > that don't use the keyboard by lack of 
knowledge of shortcuts
> >
> > > might
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > encounter difficulties we don't have. If we 
feel Alt+Tab is
> >
> > > needed, then
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > accessing it's features with the mouse might be
 required too.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Instead of complaining, I'd like somebody who 
really feels the
> >
> > > need for
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > a dock-like feature to actually step in and 
provide an
> extension
> >
> > > for it.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > The Shell is written in _javascript_, you could 
add a way to
> >
> > > activate
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Alt+Tab with the mouse in a few lines.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Regards
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
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> >
> > > >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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