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Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8

Hi, the Microsoft on-screen keyboard can be accessed either through the start menu or control panel put under 
the ease of access program. As for how long it takes, I don't expect miracles. I can work as I am for now

Steve

      From: Jehan Pagès <jehan marmottard gmail com>
 To: stephen burton <steveburtonx yahoo co uk> 
Cc: "gimp-user-list gnome org" <gimp-user-list gnome org>
 Sent: Monday, 27 November 2017, 14:14
 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8
   
Hi!

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:04 PM, stephen burton
<steveburtonx yahoo co uk> wrote:

Hello Jehan.

Thanks for your e-mail and again for your time to look at my problem. I hope
I have fully answered your questions below, but if you need any more
information please ask.
I'm not sure how you mean your explanations. Are you saying for instance
that you want to use ctrl-x (with the on-screen keyboard) to cut, but you
currently can't, and you have to go through the menu?

When I press control-X nothing happens. As with any of the shortcut modifier
keys, e.g. control, alt or shift when I use the Microsoft on-screen
keyboard, so to carry out any procedure or action in gimp I have to use the
gimp menu.

Action:

Use Microsoft on-screen keyboard.

Press shortcut keys

Result nothing happens.

So every time I need to carry out a procedure in the gimp, such as, cut and
paste a selection, or any other menu item requiring using shortcut keys,
nothing happens, so to carry out any procedure or action in gimp I have to
use the gimp menu.

And if so, why: doesn't the on-screen keyboard appear? Is it available, but
clicking control-x does not cut anything?Some more details would be useful
to understand the issues.

The on-screen keyboard does appear. It is available throughout using gimp
but as I said before, when I use control-X, it doesn't cut anything. Nothing
happens and I have use the gimp menu interface to perform any action.

Reproduction steps:
1/ Select part of an image.
2/ Hit ctrl + x in the on-screen keyboard

Expected result: the select piece of image should be cut.
Actual result: nothing happens.

Your above descriptive sequence is correct.

I perfectly understand this. I hope we can find the reasons for your
issue.Just explain step by step what happens on your screen as explained
above. Assume that we don't know at all what you are seeing and what you are
expecting (which is the actual case), especially since most of us don't have
the need to use an on-screen keyboard as you do; and moreover most
developers of GIMP don't even use Windows as a daily OS.So we don't really
know what one who use Windows and an on-screen keyboard expects.

Yes, I assume that am one of the few, if not the only gimp user working with
the on-screen keyboard or a Windows 7 platform, so it is unlikely that this
problem has ever risen to anybody 's notice before. In fact, I have only
recently started using gimp myself. So as I explained, I am a complete
newbe. However, it may be worth noting that although the gimp developers
don't use Windows, I suspect the majority of gimp uses do.


Ok. I understood well the issue now.
I opened a bug report on our side:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790901
I can't ensure you this will be managed and fixed quickly. It depends
on the schedule and priorities of the developers. It may happen today
like it may take forever (sorry if that happens to be the case :-/).
But at least now it is in the system so we won't forget. Hopefully
someone will test soon.

By the way, how do you activate the on-screen keyboard in Windows?
Regards,

Jehan


Steve

________________________________
From: Jehan Pagès <jehan marmottard gmail com>
To: stephen burton <steveburtonx yahoo co uk>
Cc: "gimp-user-list gnome org" <gimp-user-list gnome org>
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 23:20

Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp
2.8

Hi!

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:06 PM, stephen burton
<steveburtonx yahoo co uk> wrote:

Thanks Jehan for helping me out. To be honest, I'm not a developer, merely
in newbe using gimp for a very short time. I didn't know about the GTK+
project. It looks very exciting, might not be a programmer I don't know
how
to use it.


No problem, you don't have to be a developer to create with GIMP. ;-)
I am not proposing you to "use" GTK+. GIMP uses GTK+, not you. I was
just wondering if you also had other software which also use GTK+.
But if you don't know, it's ok. Don't worry.


With the Microsoft on-screen keyboard what appears not to be working on
the
simple modifier keys. For example I 't use control X. I have to use cut
from
the edit menu. The Microsoft on-screen keyboard so works with any text
field, for example I can enter a file name, but when a save it I can't use
CONTROL C to save it. I can't use shift all the ALT key to modify a
selection.


I'm not sure how you mean your explanations. Are you saying for
instance that you want to use ctrl-x (with the on-screen keyboard) to
cut, but you currently can't, and you have to go through the menu? And
if so, why: doesn't the on-screen keyboard appear? Is it available,
but clicking control-x does not cut anything?
Some more details would be useful to understand the issues.

Usually the way to report bugs is doing step by step procedures, then
end with the expected result and actual result.
For instance, here is what it could be with the ctrl-x example (which
may be wrong regarding your issue since I'm not sure I understand what
you are saying).

Reproduction steps:
1/ Select part of an image.
2/ Hit ctrl + x in the on-screen keyboard

Expected result: the select piece of image should be cut.
Actual result: nothing happens.


I see you that there are a number of books referenced in the GTK + project
documentation. Do you know if there are reputable by a non-programmer
mind?


No as I said above, you don't have to read books about GTK+. This is a
code library for programmers to make usage of. Don't bother with this.
I just wanted to know if other GTK+ program had the same issues you
were experiencing. And if so, it would probably mean the problem lies
in GTK+ code.


As you can imagine, to have to keep returning to the gimp menu for even
simple tasks is rather exhausting, especially because I work the mouse
with
my nose.


I perfectly understand this. I hope we can find the reasons for your issue.
Just explain step by step what happens on your screen as explained
above. Assume that we don't know at all what you are seeing and what
you are expecting (which is the actual case), especially since most of
us don't have the need to use an on-screen keyboard as you do; and
moreover most developers of GIMP don't even use Windows as a daily OS.
So we don't really know what one who use Windows and an on-screen
keyboard expects.


Many thanks for listening.


You are welcome.


Steve
________________________________
From: Jehan Pagès <jehan marmottard gmail com>
To: Ringbat <steveburtonx yahoo co uk>
Cc: "gimp-user-list gnome org" <gimp-user-list gnome org>
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 3:43
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with
gimp
2.8



Hello!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ringbat via gimp-user-list
<gimp-user-list gnome org> wrote:

Microsoft on screen keyboard doesn't seem to work using gimp. I use the
keyboard with a mouse due to my disability. I am working on a Windows 7
platform using gimp 2.8. Any ideas where I can go to get advice or better
still a workaround. I have tried at the on-screen keyboards , but I seem
to
get the same problem.


Have you tried any other program using the GTK+ toolkit by any chance?
Do you have the same issue there?
Also what doesn't work exactly? The on-screen keyboard does not pop up
when your cursor enter a text field? It pops up but it won't write
into the field?

Jehan


Thanks for reading.

Ringbat



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