Re: UTILITY, SPLASH, FULLSCREEN

[Philipp Lohmann <Philipp Lohmann sun com>]

Hi,

does _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE allow for transient windows to be 
in front of the window ? A presentation window needs this occasionally, 
since a presentation may open dialogues (e.g. in OpenOffice.org).

Regards, pl

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Am 18.10.01, 11:13:51, schrieb Lubos Lunak <l lunak sh cvut cz> zum Thema 
Re: UTILITY, SPLASH, FULLSCREEN:


> Dne st 17. říjen 2001 20:54 jste napsal(a):
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm going ahead and adding these to the CVS draft version of the WM
> > spec, since no one seemed to object. The patch is appended. Objections
> > are still welcome, if anyone has better ways of approaching these.
> >
> [snip]

>  Is it really necessary to have something so special like flags for
> splashscreens and fulscreen windows? I mean, what makes these two so 
special
> that they deserve their own flags? Splashscreen is just a window without
> decorations centered on the desktop above all other windows, and 
fullscreen
> is a window without decorations large as the desktop above all other 
windows.

>  I don't know why neither Matthias Ettrich nor Bradley T. Hughes said
> anything, they are probably busy with Qt3.0 final. KDE already has NET_WM
> extensions that allow both splashscreens and fullscreen windows using 
more
> generic flags (which is IMHO a better solution). The two flags are
> NET_WM_STATE_STAYS_ON_TOP (it's not even marked as KDE extension in the 
docs,
> but I can't find it in the wm-spec) and _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE. 
The
> first one is obvious, and some users set this flags e.g. on ICQ window. 
The
> override flag is almost like using override_redirect, i.e. no 
decorations,
> but it has the benefit of e.g. staying only on the given desktop.

>  Splashscreen is then an override window with staysontop, with geometry 
set
> by the app (centered and some sane size). Fullscreen windows are override
> windows with size set to desktop size.

>  WRT being able to put other windows above a fullscreen one, it would be
> nice, but I see a little problem here : The fullscreen window should be 
above
> dock type windows (panel), and dock type windows should be above normal
> windows, so normal windows apparently can't go above the fullscreen 
window.
> Right now KDE/Qt makes fullscreen windows also staysontop.

> --
>  Lubos Lunak
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>  http://dforce.sh.cvut.cz/~seli
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