Re: "full screen" windows

[jg pa dec com (Jim Gettys)]

No, It doesn't mean that: it means that if there is something defined in
the protocol which should solve your problem, and there is a bug in
a window manager some place (where they aren't following the protocol),
the first choice should be to fix the bug in that window manager, rather than
kludge around the bug by making the protocols more complicated.

This is just a plea to keep things as simple as possible, and that
we don't necessarily have to live with bugs forever.  The dynamics of
the new Linux desktop market are very different than the "traditional"
Unix workstation market, which had ossified into irrelevance by 1992,
which made it difficult/impossible to fix bugs in lots of window managers,
causing the necessity to live with such bugs, apparently forever.

The revival of X based desktops due to Linux has caused a very rapid release
cycle to occur again, so we should not presume to have to live with other
people's broken code forever, as we did in the 1993-1999 UNIX
workstation era.

Clearly, pragmatism must temper this position somewhat, but I'm trying
to remind people the dynamics of the situation are very different than
they were 3 years ago, and argue for KISS.

And I was not particularly reacting very much specifically to this thread,
but a pattern across multiple threads.
                                   - Jim
--
Jim Gettys
Technology and Corporate Development
Compaq Computer Corporation
jg pa dec com

> Sender: wm-spec-list-admin gnome org
> From: Philipp Lohmann <Philipp Lohmann Sun COM>
> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:46:26 GMT
> To: wm-spec-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: "full screen" windows
> -----
> I'd agree with that statement in principle. But did you mean that there
> should be no presentation window type or that there should be no full
> screen override redirect windows or that transient <-> override redirect
> needs no definition ?
>
> Regards, Philipp
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ursprüngliche Nachricht <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Am 16.08.01, 19:32:39, schrieb Jim Gettys <jg pa dec com> zum Thema Re:
> "full screen" windows:
>
> > ---
> > I've been noting occasional discussions of the order:
>
> > "The following window manager is broken: here is a kludge around to
> > the window protocol stuff to avoid that bug."
>
> > While sometimes necessary, there lies long term design madness:
> > most things people use these days are open source window managers.
> > Lets fix them rather than kludging up the protocols as much as
> possible....
>
> > At least at the moment, the time from bug fix to widespread deployment
> > is low (as opposed to the X destop of 4 years ago, where change was
> > glacial), so lets reset our expectations and avoid kludge arounds as
> > much as we can...
> >                               - Jim
>
>
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