Re: Application modal transients windows

[raster rasterman com]

On  9 Nov, Paul Warren scribbled:
->  On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 raster@rasterman.com wrote:
->  > On  8 Nov, Marko Macek scribbled:
->  > ->  raster@rasterman.com wrote:
->  > ->  
->  > ->  > If the window manager gets a property notify for this property it
->  > ->  > shoudl re-read the property data contents and any visible icons
->  > ->  > displays for this window shoudl be then re-rendered and updated so the
->  > ->  > user can see the updated version.
->  > ->  > 
->  > ->  > Thsi property should only be set on top-level windows and not on group
->  > ->  > leader windows that are unmapped.
->  > ->  > 
->  > ->  > The window manager is free to res-cale the icons data to fit the
->  > ->  > available space for it to be displayed. it may re-color, rmap and
->  > ->  > dither the icosn too according to user preferences for color image
->  > ->  > rendering quality etc.
->  > ->  
->  > ->  I have a few comments (#1 most important):
->  > ->      1. scaled icons absolutely suck if small (getting nice 16x16 icons
->  > ->  from 32x32 or 64x64 is likely to produce ugly icons). Good icons are
->  > ->  pixel-perfect and scaling is not the way to get them.
->  > 
->  > then ythe apo shoudl provide the closest size to the icon size hint.
->  > 
->  > to be honest this is impractical.. wms have variable sizes for icon
->  > needs - for big icons on a dresktop, small icons in titlebars - maybe
->  > medium sized.... they all vary and some like the titlebar cant be fixed
->  > since they may depend on font size and other factors. so if a WM is to
->  > do it right most wms will have to scale anyway. agreed arbitarily
->  > scaled icons dont always look right - but no-one is goign to be willing
->  > to draw their icons in N diferent sizes just to please the WM or the
->  > user prefes so scaling has to be accepted as a way of dealing with this.
->  
->  Why not allow the app to specify more than one icon, of any size?  The WM
->  can then scale whichever is the closest in size.  I think in practice, the
->  Desktop Environment will dictate the icon sizes to be used (eg. Gnome
->  already uses 16x16 mini icons), apps will provide these sizes, and any
->  WM intending to work with that DE will probably choose to stick with those
->  standard sizes to avoiding scaling too often.

thats fair enuf to provide more than one siz e- BUT sittl - a very
small percentage of appas actually will provide more than one icon
thats hand drawn for that size (not scaled)

also remember this isant about desktop environments - it's about window
managers and every wm sint suddently going to force all its icons ot be
16x16 just because gnome, or kde like that. the wm may have a method to
have the user specify this size - thus it willd do whatever the user
asks it to.

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