Re: [Vala] Vala logo symbol voting

[Tobias Bernard <bertob93 gmail com>]

It's never too late for feedback :)

But as I already wrote here on the mailing list, this voting won't be about
the VALA text but about the symbol. This text is on the proposals as an
example, but it will be dicussed later and there will be a separate voting
on it.
For now, if you don't like it, ignore it ;)

tobias

2011/8/31 Dru Moore <dru dru-id co uk>

> Probably far too late in the process to come back and comment on this
> but I have a few general comments.
>
> I really like the concept of wings etc and think of the logo marks,
> all but #4 are really very strong, to me #4 is the weakest and is only
> good.
>
> However, I really dislike the font used for VALA.
>
> I totally get that by reducing the number of strokes required to form
> the letters you are trying to evoke simplicity and lightness as shared
> qualities. For me it actually suggests a different, less accurate set
> of ideas:
> Only a few basic tools - 4 unique strokes build the entire word
> Very direct and angular - fast yes, elegant no.
>
> These would seem more to be the qualities of a low level language
> (assembler or c) rather than a modern, high level language. Vala
> provides lot's of tools and high level objects to it's users that
> should let us express ourselves in a much more elegant fashion.
>
> Appreciate these comments may be coming at the least helpful time and
> regardless the outcome will clearly be to a very high standard.
>
> On 31 August 2011 18:20, Tobias Bernard <bertob93 gmail com> wrote:
> > I totally agree with you that war isn't a good symbolism for this, it is
> one
> > of the reasons I deleted that proposal.
> >
> > The reason why I created it in the first place was the sound of "Vala":
> it
> > reminds "of Valkyrie" or "Valhalla" (and if you've read the Silmarillion
> it
> > reminds of the "Valar"), and ancient weapons are strongly connected to
> those
> > topics, so I wanted to try working on that. But since there are better
> > symbolisms (which also look better graphically :D), I deleted that
> proposal.
> > I don't know if you've taken a look at the pdf, but there are several
> > proposals which communicate exactly what you said: lightness, easiness,
> > flying etc.
> > A flying carpet isn't a bad idea but personally, I like a wing better,
> > because it's less complex and easier to understand.
> > in case you've missed it: symbol proposals pdf
> > download<http://ubuntuone.com/p/1DBL/>
> >
> > kind regards
> > tobias
> >
> > 2011/8/31 Jim Peters <jim uazu net>
> >
> > > Sam Liddicott wrote:
> > > > > 2) The symbolism of "ancient warfare" is hard to
> > > > > understand. Probably too hard to be understood instantly by most
> > > > > people, so I put that proposal away too.
> > > >
> > > > The presentation is very good.
> > > >
> > > > I think that symbols of weapons, killing and/or warfare should be
> > > > avoided, having very current and unpleasant connotations for many
> > > > people in specific locales.
> > >
> > > War happens -- deal with it.  But anyway, Vala is not about war, not
> > > even about posing with weapons, nor indulging in feelings of
> > > superiority or anything like that.  Vala is practical and gets the job
> > > done.  It is not an academic language made by purists or theorists.
> > > It doesn't seem to attract zealots or fanatics -- it is relatively
> > > humble in that sense.  It makes life easier for those who use it --
> > > compared to the alternative tools available to do the same job.
> > >
> > > Getting a good visual logo can be hard.  When I was involved in
> > > OpenEEG, someone sent us a drawing of a levitating, meditating,
> > > EEG-wired GNU, which was really perfect and said everything:
> > >
> > >  http://openeeg.sf.net/
> > >
> > > However, a programming language is more abstract.  Linux has a penguin
> > > mascot pictured with a bellyful of fish (according to Linus), which I
> > > guess represents a feeling of comfort.
> > >
> > > I wonder whether we can find a feeling connection for Vala?
> > >
> > > To me it is about flying above all the nightmare complexity of pages
> > > of boilerplate code that is required at the C level.  So maybe
> > > Aladdin's flying carpet?  Or something else to represent the ease and
> > > feeling of flying above complexity?
> > >
> > > Any other way we can represent this feeling?
> > >
> > > Or is there some other feeling we can associate with Vala?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
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