[Vala] Please keep the Vala Toys for gEdit version 0.10.3 available from the repository, for backwards compatibility with stable versions of Linux.

[Serge Hulne <serge hulne gmail com>]

Hi Andrea, thank your very much for your very detailed answer !

I understand your point (focusing on the development of one specific version
makes perfect sense in this context).

However, in this case, please keep the "Vala Toys for gEdit", version 0.10.3
available from the repository, for backwards compatibility with stable (and
"Long-Time-Services") versions of Linux distributions.

Thanks,
Serge.



On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Andrea Del Signore <sejerpz tin it> wrote:

> Hi Serge,
>
> I'm Andrea the developer of vala toys,
>
> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 14:27 +0200, Serge Hulne wrote:
> > Which Linux distibution is used for developing vtg (Vala toys for gedit)
> ?
>
> Currently I'm using debian sid
>
> > Personally, I prefer Ubuntu, and more specifically Ubuntu LTS ("long time
> > service", since it is supported for a couple of years and is therefore
> ideal
> > for servers).
> >
> >    - Using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, I managed to install the version before-last
> of
> >    vtg, but not the latest.
>
> Yes that's is somehow expected since with the last version I switched to
> the gnome 3.0 stack (gtk+ gedit etc...)
>
> >    - On a separate distribution, I installed the latest version of Ubuntu
> >    (11.04). In that version, the latest versions of Vala and libgee are
> >    available as packages, however only the version-before-last of vtg is
> >    available (and the latest won't even install from source, because of
> unmet
> >    dependencies relatively of he version of gtk+-3 required).
>
> Again that's unfortunate, but expected.
>
> > Advantages expected from a more conservative approach:
> >
> >    1. Would it not be preferable to use a less recent version of of GTK,
> so
> >    that more conservative (also more stable) distributions of Linux can
> benefit
> >    from it as well?
>
> Yes, but that require some more work and I don't have the time to
> maintain two branches ATM.
>
> >    2. On what system is vtg developed (Debian "unstable, I guess") ?
>
> As I said yes.
>
> >    3. A more conservative approach relatively to the version of GTK
> involved
> >    would not only benefit more conservative distributions of Linux, but
> also
> >    users making use of Vala / vtg under Linux ports such as:
>
> This release has more problems of the previous because I wanted to
> support gnome 3.0 stack, for the next releases I will *try* to be more
> conservative about the dependencies.
>
> >    4.
> >       - Macports (Linux port for Mac). N.B: Unlike Vala or libgee, vtg
> won't
> >       compile under MacPorts (and is not available as a MacPort
> > package either),
> >       which is a pity since Vala is available on that system.
> >       - Cygwin or Mingw for Windows.
>
> I remember that I compiled vala-toys on a mac in the 0.6 time, but now I
> don't have access to any mac anymore so...
>
> >    5. The benefit of such an approach would be to increase the potential
> >    user base for Vala (a lot of potential developers will not take a
> >    programming language seriously if it does not offer a development GUI
> >    comparable to Eclipse or QTDevelop, for fear of wasting time by
> constantly
> >    switching between the doc, the editor and the command-line).
>
> I principle I agree with you, but for this release I was forced to make
> a choice since the maintenance of two different versions was out of
> question for me.
>
> As you said until now vala-toys was pretty low on library versions and
> it will continue this way for the next releases. I hope that this was
> and will be the first exception for a long time.
>
>
> > Serge.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrea.
>
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