Re: [Usability] Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

[Olav Vitters <olav bkor dhs org>]

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 07:02:26PM +0100, Mark wrote:
> To the people reading the gnome usability list and see this for the
> first time.. look here for the full discussion (about 150 posts):
> http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=65669&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0
[..]
> Now on topic.
> Lets do a little rounding up (conclusions how i see them! correct me
> if i'm wrong on any of them)
> 
> 1. Somewhere in 2003 or 2004 it is decided for whatever reason to make
> the spatial mode in nautilus and put it as the default mode. To my
> knowledge no research is done if people even wanted that. it just got
> pushed through there throat and they are expected to just take it in
> not spit it out. We are now (and a lot of users back then) spitting
> that decision out and clear that bad taste. Nearly all gnome based

Please keep it constructive. Above comparison is not. You will likely
get heated responses because of it (see also below).

> distributions do the same and the people using those distributions
> seems to be happy about the browser mode.

You provide no basis for that statement.

> 2. I always was under the impression that gnome especially was a
> democracy but it turns out it's under dictatorship and then call it:
> "Meritocracy" with a dictator like taste.

Please don't make such loaded comparisons if you want to continue to
post to a GNOME mailing list. See http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct.
I've read most of the thread on the Fedora mailing list. I am not
interested in a repeat.

> 3. Fedora has a community but when the community starts demanding
> something (use the browser mode as default) then it turns out that the

A few votes on a mailing list. This has been dismissed already.

> 4. There is just ONE person here that decided to make it spatial and
> that one person can't be convinced (Alexander Larson). Just look at

That is not true.

> 5. I was about to open a bug report on gnome for this now but it turns
> out there is one already:
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427628

Just general FYI: Discussion is not appreciated on (bgo) bugreports
(should be done elsewhere, e.g. in a mailing list), so please do not add
comments about things that have been said before.
The purpose of a bugreport is to discuss how the bug should be fixed
(which in above bugreport would just be a config change).

> 6. Convincing people.. yea possible but is FOUR (yes 4!) FREAKING
> YEARS not proof enough that there decision was wrong. If that doesn't
> convince them, again mainly or even only Alexander Larson, then they
> can simply not be convinced in this subject.

Baseless statement. In your mind the decision is wrong. However, you
even haven't convinced everyone of that fact. This was already mentioned
on the Fedora mailing list.

> 7. This is a conclusion again about the community. A few months ago
> Max Spevack came to my school to hold a presentation about linux,

I'm not sure what this has to do with usability gnome org  Please be
concise.

> A very good example of the bad community direction is, to name someone
> again, Rahul. He always points you to your mistakes (fine in a way)
> but never adds (not in my experience) something constructive or
> helpful.... always a link to a wiki of somekind.

Take that off list (at least for anything @gnome.org).

> And for this entire issue where i made this thread for in the first
> place. Don't expect me to be silent now. I will be vocal about this.
> fedora has a "freedom" sign in it's logo so make that a reality!

Suggest to be constructive. Just vocal won't be appreciated.

What helps: determine what usability thought was behind the spatial
mode. Then perform multiple real usability studies to show that for an
unbiased person spatial mode causes more problems than browser mode.

-- 
Regards,
Olav