Re: [Setup-tool-hackers] Introducing

[Diego Delgado Lages <lages linuxsolutions com br>]

Quoting Diego Gonzalez (dggonz@yahoo.com):
> On 15 Aug 2001 19:58:38 +0300, Diego Delgado Lages wrote:
> > Quoting Diego Gonzalez (dggonz@yahoo.com):
> > > On 15 Aug 2001 16:34:22 +0300, Diego Delgado Lages wrote:
> > > > 	Very interesting! Let me put some points on it:
> > > > 
> > > > 	- I don't think we should use Bonobo at all: If we use bonobo, we must link
> > > > 	  the server programs with bonobo and all of its dependencies. It will
> > > > become very heavy, and some machines will be servers. I think that there is
> > > > no need to have a daemon with 15 Mb of memory running around.
> > > 
> > > 	the bonobo stuff that i'm using is heavy in the GNOME 1.4 platform, in
> > > the GNOME 2.0 (scheduled for december) it will have no dependencies
> > > except for glib and ORBit, so the only added dependency that i will have
> > > will be libbonobo and bonobo-activation (maybe) itself with is pretty
> > > small.
> > > 
> > > 	Other dependencies that i have are libxml (to parse the configuration
> > > and action - you are going to have this dependecy as well), and
> > > libcrypto (from OpenSSL, if you want to use crypto stuff you are gonna
> > > have a dependecy like this, and if you are going to use the SSL
> > > transport of ORBit2 you will also have this dependency as well, so i
> > > guesss that this dependency is not a problem).
> > 
> > 	If it is only server-side dependencies, I don't think it will be a problem.
> > The fact is that for my final project, I have to build Java and Windows
> > Clients. I know that these two sucks(especially the last one), but I must have
> > them in order to show the portability.
> > 	For the client side I just want a CORBA dependency. It can by any
> > dependecy, since that I will be using, for example, Visibroker for Borland C++
> > for building the Windows client.
> 
> ORBit2 i would think that is portable to windows (ORBit worked on
> Windows at least), glib 2.0 and libxml (1 nad 2) work on windows, i
> would think the libbonobo would also work on windows. 
> 
> Ask Michael about ORbit2 and libbonobo, maybe the hole pack works on
> Windows.
> 
> > > 

What about Java?? MacOS?? Palm?? that's my point. My goal is that it runs
anywhere.

> > > > 	- I also find the project very interesting, but I think that we should
> > > > 	  concentrate our efforts in one thing at a time. In practice, it means
> > > > that we should start doing the CORBA communication(no Bonobo) first, have
> > > > everything running fine(and working with GNOME 1.4, if possible) and then go
> > > > for the other cool stuff.
> > > 
> > > 	the basic framework is almost ready, i have been working on it for
> > > several months now, GIS (the gaia information server), gondwana and
> > > eventd are ready, i'm now building the pangea. Also you should know that
> > > in a setup with 10 computers as you say, you will not need eventd and
> > > pangea, only the gondwana (that has to be runned in any computer to be
> > > managed) and the GIS which is the central server.
> > > 
> > > 	currently the events are fully working and the actions will be ready in
> > > a week from now.
> > > 
> > > > 	- I'd like to know if there is some code available for me to download, so I
> > > > 	  can have it running.
> > > 
> > > 	the code is available from the CVS at www.es.gnome.org, i think that
> > > the addresss is cvs.es.gnome.org you can login as anonymous, i have to
> > > update it, because i you a lot of stuff im my hard drive.
> > > 
> > 
> > 	- If you can do it faster, please update, so I can look at it as soon as
> > 	  possible. I'll be downloading this...
> 
> i'm going to update the CVS now.
> 
> > 
> > > > 	- I'd like also to have some status of this project, who is running, so and
> > > > 	  so and so
> > > 
> > > 	i think i already answered that, i plan on having the basic framework
> > > in a week counting from now, if you are really interested i might be
> > > able to do it faster, but don't count on that (i have to study).
> > > 
> > 
> > 	Well. As the project is going on, I'll help on that...:)
> > 
> > 	I'll be happy creating new configurations systems also.
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 	By the way these are some problems that i have found when i proposed on
> > > this list to develop gaia:
> > > 
> > > 	* the activation framework (OAF) doesn't work outside of a machine, i
> > > had to use the CORBA Name Service and build a little http daemon (100
> > > lines) to make the IOR of the name server public.
> > > 
> > > 	* ORBit doesn't have any kind of security, i had to build a login
> > > scheme and a security server, the security server gives cookies much in
> > > the same way as Kernberos does, this securirty server can be cracked
> > > (with some effort), but at least there is some level of security, the
> > > passwords never travel in clear text.
> > > 
> > > 	* ORBit is not multithread, it block on a CORBA call until it returns
> > > the data, or inmediately if you use oneway calls, this imposes some
> > > limits and makes the design of some daemons (mainly pangea) a little
> > > complicated.
> > > 
> > > Diego
> > > > 
> > > > 	Best regards,
> > > > 
> > > > 	Diego Lages
> > > > 
> > > > Quoting Diego Gonzalez (dggonz@yahoo.com):
> > > > > On 14 Aug 2001 23:12:09 +0300, Diego Delgado Lages wrote:
> > > > > > 	Hi! Let me introduce my self.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	I'm finishing my graduation on Federal University of Rio de
> > > > > > Janeiro(Brazil), and work with Internet on Linux Solutions(as you may notice).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	My final project on my graduation is a CORBA framework for developing
> > > > > > distributed configuration systems. In practice, what we want to do is to use
> > > > > > CORBA to have an entire system that can configure 10 machines at the same
> > > > > > time(for example: set a printer for 10 desktops at once) from anywhere, using
> > > > > > any language.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	Well. I did some contribution for GNOME before, and we(me and my project
> > > > > > partner) want to integrate our work with the XST plataform.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	I irced(talked on IRC) with Miguel yesterday. I told him that we were using
> > > > > > standard IDL interfaces for configuring systems(Users, Printers, etc..). As
> > > > > > XST uses XML for the same thing, we will integrate the two things is this way:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	I'll be creating(not my partner) a CORBA wrapper for the 'XML message
> > > > > > passing' on XST, so I can reach my goals. After that, me and my partner will
> > > > > > be helping XST at all(actually, he will be doing that from the beginning).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	Please. Fill in with your opinions, so I can get more response before I
> > > > > > code something.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > i'm trying to do something similar here is a document describing it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 	Best regards,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	Diego Lages
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
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