Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

[Frederic Peters <fpeters gnome org>]

Hey Sri, nice of you to join the discussion,

> I think eventually though we are going to have to monitor and see where the
> discussion is going.  Debian is an important distro for us and we should
> make sure that we continue to be the default.  I think we need to make sure
> that people understand why we are depending on logind and why it is a bad
> idea to have to support every init out there.  Now if the Debian team wants
> to take on that task, so be it.  But this doesn't seem like the right thing
> to do.  It's best to try to get people on the same level and convince
> Debian that logind is the right technology and that we don't want to
> support anaything else at least on Linux kernel based distros.

At least Olav and I were following the debate, and Olav engaged in the
discussion several times. From mails, IRC, and private dicussions I am
of the opinion that on this matter the situation is quite clear for
the Debian GNOME team, it's just that Debian sometimes is a place of
conservatism, and arrangements may have to be made.

  As an illustration, you could consult https://bugs.debian.org/681834
  and https://bugs.debian.org/688772, they are about the dependency of
  GNOME on NetworkManager.

About GNOME as the default for Debian, the potential default changed
to XFCE in November, and this will be re-evaluated in August (Debian
git web interface seems down, but http://archive.is/erpyk archives
that).  If you have any idea about things GNOME could do to help, it's
now a good time, just before 3.12, do not hesitate to bring bug
numbers to our attention list. (in the perspective of the Debian
discussion, I believe a11y support and classic mode are important)


> > Also I trust the Debian GNOME team with their decisions, and they know
> > how to reach us if necessary.
>
> I prefer to work with them on this, if only to know how the conversation is
> going.  Debconf will be in Portland this year and so I will be there.  It
> will be important to know what's going on before going amongst people there.

Great to have you there.  There's a debian-gtk-gnome mailing list but
work and discussion mostly happen on their IRC channel, it's
#debian-gnome on OFTC.



        Fred