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Re: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher library for C#?

Hi, Rastislav:

The thinking is in progress even as we discuss it. It's not finished, so
there's plenty enough time to influence the outcome. And, implementation
is a very important consideration in that process.

W3C rules require that before any specification can become a formal
recommendation of the W3C there must be at least two independent
implementations for each and every feature specified by the standard.
This is a very strict requirement.

hth

Janina

Orca screen reader developers writes:

Hello,
wow, thanks for mentioning this, I didn't know that someone was
thinking about creating MathML 4.
As a developer, I can tell, that MathML is surely messy, very messy.
But that's because mathematical notation itself is messy, so its no
wonder that its electronical form isn't any better.
I'm thus curious, what did they think out, and how hard would it
possibly be to implement.

Best regards

Rastislav
vV Sobota,  1. august 2020 o 16:26 -0400, Janina Sajka napísal(a):

Ah, I missed this very important detail about mathematics! Sorry.

Now that I'm aware, let me also suggest there is current activity in
W3C
on enhancing access to mathematics via MathML, including work that
might
lead to better TTS performance in speaking mathematical expressions
(or
chemical formulae, etc.). You might be interested and it's easy to
join
because it's a W3C Community Group effort lead by Neil Soiffert,
formerly of Design Science. The web page is here:

https://www.w3.org/community/mathml4/


And the Pronunciation specification work is in this W3C Task Force
here:

https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/pronunciation/


I invite you to check these out as some of the leading work on making
math and scientific notation accessible today.

Janina



Orca screen reader developers writes:

Hello Nikita,
wow! I didn't have an idea that such mailing lists even exist in
first
place. :D
I guess I should invest more time into searching these communities,
as
they will most likely have more potential users to communicate
with.

Best regards

Rastislav
V Piatok,  31. júl 2020 o 15:28 +0300, Nikita via orca-list
napísal(a):

Hi Rastislav,
There are several mailing lists for blind mathematicians and
other
scientists.
It makes sense to announce your MathML project there.
1. The list for blind mathematicians
Posting blindmath nfbnet org
Subscription blindmath-request nfbnet org?subject=subscribe
2. The List for Blind social scientists
Posting social-sciences-list nfbnet org
Subscription social-sciences-list-request nfbnet org?subject=subs
crib
e
3. The list for blind users of the R (there is a large
concentration
of statisticians)
Posting blindrug nfbnet org
Subscription blindrug-request nfbnet org?subject=subscribe
Best regards, Nikita.

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list <orca-list-bounces gnome org> On Behalf Of
Rastislav
Kiss via orca-list
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:21 AM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher library for C#?

Hello,
I meaned some mailing lists about blind people and Linux, that's
probably a better formulation. Something like Eyes-free mailing
list
for Android. People were sharing there basically everithing
related
to
our community, from screenreader updates, through recommendations
to
mailing apps to experiences with phones, tablets, etc.
If one released an app and wanted it to be noticed by as many
blind
people as possible, Eyes-free was the best place. If one wanted
experiences of others with NVIDIA shell TV Box and its
accessibility,
Eyes-free was the best place. And if one simply wanted to ask for
a
program to do something, for example ocr a document, Eyes-free
was
again very helpful.

Searching a related community is a good point for some of my
projects,
for example my Ride code editor for Linux probably won't get high
attention on places with small concentration of developers.
But with most of them it's bit more complicated. Chinfusor for
example
is designed to be used by people who speak more languages, but
whether
those people, especially if they're not technical, would be
present
in
speech-dispatcher mailing list... I don't know.
A program for reading MathML is my other project. Its target
audience
are blind high-school students, university students, scientists
from
many areas such as mathematics, physics, artificial intelligence,
informatics and many more.
if there was a mailing-list like eyes-free, all of those people
would
likely to be present there, as all of them are blind and use
Linux,
so
they want to have an image, what's happening in the Linux
accessibility
for blind world.

Plus I have projects with much wider target groups, like a
program to
ocr user's screen. It can be used by any blind person, and is
only
related to blind people using Linux.

It would need a solid, heavily-linuxified community. :)

Best regards

Rastislav
V Štvrtok,  30. júl 2020 o 20:11 +0200, Samuel Thibault
napísal(a):

Rastislav Kiss via orca-list, le jeu. 30 juil. 2020 19:58:55
+0200,
a
ecrit:

this question is probably quite off-topic here


The problem is not really being off-topic (it's relatively
close to
orca-list), but that you will miss reaching the set of people
who
would
most probably have a proper answer.


Btw, is there a mailing list related to Linux accessibility
in
general?


I don't think there is, because that would be too vague:
accessibility
for non-sighted? Accessibility for muscular impairement?
Concerning
the
web? The desktop? Text reading? Screen magnification? Debian?
RedHat?
...


One example is my Chinfusor project, the speech-dispatcher
engine
for
reading multi-alphabetical texts,


That would probably be useful to discuss on the speechd list.


What would be the correct place to inform about these things?


For new projects, I would say send a note on mailing lists of
projects
that resemble most to yours, since the people following it may
want
to
follow yours for similar reasons. Also, Linux distribution
mailing
lists
could be useful so that the software gets packaged.

Samuel


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Janina Sajka
https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures     http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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