Re: [orca-list] Orca should report locations of web elements

[<sonfire11 gmail com>]

Hi,

To make things simple, Orca can report like the following:
For verbose verbosity level,
Location: 200 from left, 300 from top
Size: 400 wide, 700 tall.

For brief verbosity level,
Location: 300, 200
Size: 400, 700

I might recommend breaking the reporting of element location and element size into different keyboard 
shortcuts. If I am trying to check the alignment/position of an element, I don't always want to hear its size 
in the event I already know it. The same goes for location. If I am experimenting with the size of an 
element, I may not need to hear its location every time I change the width or height. To give input on the 
second part of the question, I don't normally see css provide locations of elements outside the range of the 
current viewport. For example, I never see width: 7000; height: 5000, or top: 10000, left: 20000. In the 
event the element does scroll off the page, then everything is relative to the viewport's content margins. 
For example, If a link "about" is found at the bottom of a page, but the user had to scroll to find it, then 
the top/left Orca reports is according to the top/left corner of the viewport window. In general, it is the 
user's problem to figure out if content ran off the viewport area. Given this, the user should have some way 
of seeing what content is in the viewable area of the browser window. I know moving the system cursor scrolls 
the page. However, I don't know if the flat review shortcuts scroll page content, or report what is on the 
visible screen. Let me know if you need to work through other issues on this.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 11:11 AM
To: Andy Borka <sonfire11 gmail com>
Cc: orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca should report locations of web elements

Hey Andy.

I started working on this, but have some questions. First one is what should Orca say? Would "x pixels from 
left edge. y pixels from top edge.
Width: 123. Height: 456" work? Or did you have something else in mind?

Another issue that occurs to me is that if you have scrolled the page content, you might get a value other 
than what you expect. In other words, if you press Page Down, on a long page and then ask for the 
coordinates, you're going to get a different value than if you pressed
Ctrl+Home on that same page and then asked for the coordinates. Is it
the end user's responsibility to know how the page is scrolled and take that into account when getting the 
numbers from Orca?

Thanks!
--joanie

On 10/16/18 3:22 PM, Andy Borka via orca-list wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> It is critical that a web developer know where he or she places html 
> elements on a page. Therefore, I am requesting a feature that can tell 
> me the pixel coordinates of a particular element such as text, a link, 
> headings, paragraphs, lists/list items, and so on. It would also be 
> nice if Orca can tell me the physical size of each element in pixels. 
> What do you think?
>
> JAWS/NVDA already does this, so I know it is possible.
>
>
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