Re: [orca-list] extremely exasperated with orca 3.27 and ubuntu mate 18.04

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi

Sounds like a plan. In the meantime, I'm happy using orca built from 
master. I wonder if I could get them to drop their gsettings patch, and 
possibly other patches, since this causes needless work for you and 
them. If not, I'll just keep using master if their version doesn't 
improve. One interesting aside is that running bleachbit seems to cause 
orca to freeze, requiring a restart. I can't figure this one out, but 
the only thing I can come up with is it cleans the cache, which might, 
maybe, have something to do with it. This is bleachbit run from the cli, 
not the gtk gui. But it's not a huge problem, just a quick toggle and 
orca is back. One good thing is that orca from master will automatically 
see the desktop after a delay of about five seconds, which isn't instant 
but a lot better than the 30 second to a minute lag I was having before. 
I'm embarrassed to admit I never even considered another startup app. 
Looking at my per user startup apps, there doesn't appear to be anything 
in there that would slow it down overly much, just mate's various 
components, gnome keyring's various bits, orca, onboard, pulse audio, 
and redshift, which shifts the color temp of your screen depending on 
the time. Oh and variety wallpaper changer. The system wide startups are 
the same, although I did remove some unneeded indicator things, since 
those start up on their own. But that's only the ones I know about, in 
/etc/xdg/autostart and ~/.config/autostart, there could be others.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 03/21/2018 01:09 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> I don't see any delays in here for startup.  Given what you stated about
> Ubuntu's version being slow what I recommend is this: Wait until I roll
> the stable 3.28 release and for Ubuntu to pick it up. If they pick it up
> and then apply their patches on it, the extra debugging I've added
> should hopefully help us see what the bad app is.
>
> Thanks again!
> --joanie
>
> On 03/21/2018 11:55 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > hi
> >
> > Debug log coming up, just the startup delay. Debug log attached. All I
> > did was start up orca, give it a second or two, and once it said
> > "desktop" I arrowed up and down once, then killed it with the shortcut.
> > Interestingly, the startup is not nearly as slow in orca master as it is
> > in orca from ubuntu. A little slow, but not as bad as ubuntu's own version.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kendell Clark
> >
> >
> >
> > On 03/21/2018 09:02 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > Thanks! I'm looking at the delay starting up. I'm guessing it's a
> > > badly-behaved or crazy-huge app. I've added some debugging information
> > > to Orca. Could you please pull master capture a full debug.out just
> > > reproducing the delay starting up? (Note that it is not needed for you
> > > to try to reproduce other sluggishness because I've not yet made any
> > > changes to Orca or even started looking at that.)
> > >
> > > --joanie
> > >
> > > On 03/20/2018 03:37 PM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > hi
> > > >
> > > > Debug log coming right up. It's a whopper. 3.8 mb. All I've done is
> > > > start orca, open my home folder, used the arrows to navigate around a
> > > > bit, orca froze up once but didn't require a restart. I then opened
> > > > firefox, and navigated to the digimon wiki, which causes lots of issues
> > > > with orca. Then closed firefox and killed orca.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not exasperated with you. You do great work. Mostly it's the
> > > > sluggishness with no cause that's exasperating, and the frequent
> > > > restarts. I've reported this several times to ubuntu mate but they just
> > > > shrug. I compressed it into a .zip because of the size.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Kendell Clark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 03/20/2018 01:55 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > > Sorry you're so exasperated. Please send me a full debug.out. Thanks.
> > > > > --joanie
> > > > >
> > > > > On 03/20/2018 01:18 PM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > > hi all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to try to make this message simple to reproduce. I am having
> > > > > > the following issues with orca
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frequent freezes or out right crashes every minute and a half, two
> > > > > > minutes maximum after the desktop is loaded. Usually orca will
> > > > > > stabilize
> > > > > > and begin working normally, but when this happens is completely
> > > > > > random.
> > > > > > Because of this, steps to reproduce are going to be difficult, but I'm
> > > > > > going to try my best.Steps to reproduce
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Start ub ubuntu mate 18.04. A flash drive should do fine. Orca will
> > > > > > start up after altwin+s is pressed. It will say "screen reader on"
> > > > > > followed by nothing. After about 30 seconds, sometimes a minute, orca
> > > > > > will either function normally, in other words say "desktop frame" and
> > > > > > you can use the computer normally, or it will continue to do nothing
> > > > > > until toggled. When toggled, orca will say "screenn reader off.
> > > > > > Followed
> > > > > > by a pause of about five seconds, followed by screen reader settings
> > > > > > reloaded. If toggled again right after this, orca will occasionally
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > the desktop and you can use the computer normally. Otherwise, it will
> > > > > > then say "screen reader off" and it will need to be toggled again.
> > > > > > Once
> > > > > > orca does see the desktop, it frequently stops responding after a caja
> > > > > > window is opened at a folder, which exact folder doesn't matter. Orca
> > > > > > doesn't usually turn off when it messes up, it just stops reading all
> > > > > > applications including the desktop, but so far as I can see runs
> > > > > > normally. You can toggle it, and it will come back, only to have that
> > > > > > same 30 second to a minute and a half delay until it sees the desktop,
> > > > > > only to then freeze again ... rince and repeat. This is beyond
> > > > > > exasperating. I've reset my dconf settings at least five times, which
> > > > > > fixes the problem, temporarily, but it always comes back. I suspect a
> > > > > > debug log will show nothing, therefore people will be unable to see
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > problem, but I can testify absolutely that there is a problem
> > > > > > somewhere.
> > > > > > I want to try and help get this problem fixed. If a debug log will be
> > > > > > useful I'll gladly provide one. Downgrading to orca 3.26 fixes the
> > > > > > majority of these problems, so it's got to be something in newer
> > > > > > software, but beyond that I'm clueless. I don't mean to sound so
> > > > > > frustrated, but requiring an orca restart every couple of minutes when
> > > > > > I'm trying to get work done is just ... agrivating.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     I don't expect instantaneous performance from orca by any means,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > even when orca works normally, performance is generally sluggish.
> > > > > > Typing
> > > > > > text into caa's location bar to complete file names works but will
> > > > > > often
> > > > > > trip up orca, causing it to stop reading but otherwise function
> > > > > > normally. Navigation around the desktop is noticeably laggy, taking a
> > > > > > couple of seconds from key press to response. This is with using the
> > > > > > espeak ng speech synthesizer on a vizio ultrabook with 8 gb of ram, an
> > > > > > intel quad core processor, model number i3-3217U, an ssd with 250
> > > > > > gb of
> > > > > > storage, running ubuntu mate 18.04, bionic beaver, all updates
> > > > > > installed, including proposed updates.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kendell Clark

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