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Re: [orca-list] my report on slint

Not trying to use startx isn't necessarily a novice mistake, not all systems install everything which would enable startx in the first place. 

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018, kendell clark wrote:


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 18:22:31
From: kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>
To: "orca-list gnome org" <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] my report on slint

Hi
Thanks for your very patient responses. I didn?t even attempt startx, a novice mistake that I didn?t even attempt to try. Login-chooser I tried, I got command not found, although I didn?t know about session-chooser, I?ll try that now, I still have the flash drive. Bh wanted to know about the iso size, it?s around 3 gb in size, which isn?t bad considering the staggering amount of software you get. Again, these weren?t meant as complaints against slint. The text installer is very good, and is very helpful. The inability to pick and choose the software isn?t bad, you can?t pick and choose when you install windows, assuming you didn?t address that in your other emails. I?m going to run another test, this time installing slint only, instead of trying to fit it into a windows setup. This works very well by the way, the installer detects your windows installation and offers to mount it and put it in your fstab. I wonder, is pidgin included? It?s an instant messenging app. I can?t 
wait for
 a live version. I?ll download one when one comes out. I should?ve been clearer about options to launch 
desktops. I meant that an option in the boot loader to launch a desktop would be nice, if there isn?t already 
one. I can?t see the screen so there might be one. But I?m assuming that?s what your live version is going to 
be so no need to rush out and add it. I still think slint is a user friendly distro, especially with that 
text installer.

Thanks
Kendell Clark


sent from my ultrabook

From: Didier Spaier
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:14 AM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] my report on slint

Hello,

Le 31/01/2018 ? 04:25, kendell clark a ?crit :

Hi all

I?ve just finished downloading and installing slint.


Good, but the version you downloaded don't have the enhancements of
the one I will hopefully before midnight (7:15 AM here, UTC+1).

Upgrading without reinstalling will be possible though.


It is a very accessible Linux distro and it is accessible in text mode.
But I wasn?t able to test the accessibility of the graphical mode,
although I do believe it works, because the installer starts in text
mode.


During installation you could have selected the graphical mode, but as
Jude pointed out just typing "startx" starts a graphical environment.

Before you do that you can type session-chooser to choose among all
graphical environments installed. This includes all those I have listed
previously (mate uses the marco window manager, compiz will come today)
plus blackbox, fluxbox and windowmaker, to list those more or less
accessible.

You can type as root the "login-chooser" command to switch to a display
manager at next boot. The choice is among "text" (what you have now),
kdm (if KDE is installed), gdm2 (speaks), lightdm (speaks), or lexdm.


If there is a graphical installer, I was unable to find and use it...


There is none, maybe later if someone helps. But I plan to provide a
live version from which it will be possible to install in graphical
mode.


... or start a desktop.


See above.

If I could suggest some fixes, it would be fixing the boot loader
accessibility which might not be possible because no boot loader is
accessible regardless of OS,


Not possible so far, because no booter loader has this ability so far.


and adding  options to launch desktops, in addition to the text
installer.


Launch desktop is already possible. Yu can choose the "graphical" mode
when asked or switch to graphiucal afterwards, as stated above.


Also, there is no way to install only portions of the software. You
must install all desktops and software programs, which is why an
installed system takes up 11 gb of space.


Yes. Nowadays I think this is acceptable, and this greatly helps
manage the distribution. If you don't install KDE you will save a couple
of g though. And the installed software that you don't use won't bite
you and won't make the system slower as yiu know (but maybe not every
one knows).


These are  not complaints at all. The slint devs have done a fantastic
job, and I have no doubt that all the desktops they include are
accessible.


To be honest, neither KDE nor TWM  are really easily accessible. The
other ones are.


So to summarize, my list of suggested changes would  be a graphical
installer if there isn?t already one,


If someone helps, maybe. It would be preferable to custom an existing
one if at all possible, as writing one from scratch is a lot of work. As
an aside, we do not use systemd and that won't change at least unless
or until Slackware itself uses it.


options to boot into desktops


Done


and a way to select exactly the software the user wants.


Well, I would be reluctant to allow a partial installation (only KDE is
optional so far).


That is it. Everything else works as advertised. I would also suggest
auto partitioning, in both the text and graphical installers, since
for now the user has to know fdisk, gdisk, or cfdisk commands to do it.


In text mode this couls be added. If we porvide a live version, maybe
gparted could be used from the live system (it's already shipped in
Slint).


This is not a complaint either, the documentation is very good. I?d be
more than happy to help get this done, although I cannot code. Yet.


Help is welcome indeed.


Thanks

Kendell Clark


Greetings,

Didier
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