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Re: [orca-list] Fwd: Re: [Zim-wiki] another accessibility question

Hi,

well, it solved the problem in Zim. I forwarded your first reply to
developer, I will see what he does with that accessible name in parrent
cell.

Thanks alot,

Vojta


Dne 8.5.2017 v 11:12 Joanmarie Diggs napsal(a):

Ok, I've made the change in Orca master. It needs much testing --
basically anything that has a tree, a tree table, or a table might be
impacted.

--joanie

On 05/08/2017 04:37 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hi Vojtěch.

As a general rule, Orca avoids piecing together content in table cells
because the presentation might not come out right. It's early enough in
the release cycle that I'm willing to make a change and we can all see
what, if anything breaks.

That said, visually the "cell" looks to me like a multi-column row. If
the tree had multiple columns, I believe Orca would present the full
row. Alternatively, the developer could set the accessible name on the
parent cell to contain what Orca should present.

--joanie

On 05/08/2017 03:42 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote:

Hi,

could someone with knowledge of PyGTK accessibility please post his opinion?

You can see behavior of this widget in Latest Zim.

Thank you very much,

Vojta



-------- Přeposlaná zpráva --------
Předmět:    Re: [Zim-wiki] another accessibility question
Datum:      Mon, 08 May 2017 07:18:44 +0000
Od:         Jaap Karssenberg <jaap karssenberg gmail com>
Komu:       Vojtěch Polášek <krecoun gmail com>, zim-wiki lists launchpad net



The column with both the name of the page and the number of children is
defined in "zim/gui/pageindex.py" line 339 to 350.

This link points directly to that line in the current
version: 
https://github.com/jaap-karssenberg/zim-desktop-wiki/blob/022bfef5b6d55c84832d5f95d8e3e0b111f53864/zim/gui/pageindex.py#L339

In these lines two gtk cellrenderers are defined and packed into a
single column. As far as I'm aware this is a normal way to use the gtk
column, not a hack or custom widget.

Regards,

Jaap


On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:09 AM Vojtěch Polášek <krecoun gmail com
<mailto:krecoun gmail com>> wrote:

    HI,

    could you please point me to a source file where this tree structure
    is defined? I would like to send it to people who understand
    accessibility more than I do.

    Thanks,

    Vojta


    Dne 27.4.2017 v 16:50 Jaap Karssenberg napsal(a):

    PS deep respect if you are able to navigate the application just
    by hearing. Both myself and my girlfriend tried it out but it is
    really difficult even if you know the application behavior well.  

    Which makes me wondering: how do you get started on a new
    application, when you don't know how it works yet. Just trial and
    error or do you have some other help for that? 

    Regards, 

    Jaap 

    On Thu, Apr 27, 2017, 14:16 Jaap Karssenberg
    <jaap karssenberg gmail com <mailto:jaap karssenberg gmail com>>
    wrote:

        Hi Vojta,

        Just figured out how to enable Orca and gave it a try. I get
        the same behavior as you, so I can test it.

        I think something goes wrong because we pack two cellrenders
        into one column object. Only the text of last one is read out
        if there are children.

        Not sure how to fix it. Since this is a normal list formatting
        for the Gtk toolkit, I suspect there is an interface to
        indicate what content should be read out. But searching on
        google, I find very limited information for development of
        accessible applications in Gtk / Atk.

        Do you happen to know where to find resources or discussion
        about adding accessibility hints to Gtk applications from the
        developer side ?

        Regards,

        Jaap


        On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:02 PM Vojtěch Polášek
        <krecoun gmail com <mailto:krecoun gmail com>> wrote:

            Hello,

            thank you for fixing previous accessibility problem.
            However, there is
            another problem which was present also in previous stable
            version.

            It happens when I browse through the tree control
            representing index. If
            I focus on a page which has subpages, my screenreader
            announces only
            number of subpages and not a name of the page. If I focus
            on a page
            which has no subpages, the name is announced correctly.

            Could you please look into this?

            Thank you,

            Vojta


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