Re: [orca-list] Proposed patch for progress beeps

[chrys87 <chrys87 web de>]

Howdy,

ok i m also fine with that. what does others think? if there is nothing 
against. lets do it :).

> > shouldn't the sounds have a
> > different volume setting from the speech?

yea currently its a different volume setting. but maybe its not in the 
UI for now.

sorry i forgett about this:

> > Is there some way to make sure the final beep is not
> > skipped?

i think here we have a problem because loading bars does not always 
reach the 100 (also not in the GUI). Maybe caused by roundings or 
whatever. i dont know if we can catch up that.
>> Orca settings is better to be 0 for beeps
maybe its better to ignore the time value for beeps? what do you think?

cheers chrys

Am 17.02.2016 um 23:15 schrieb Zahari Yurukov:
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> Hi,
> I've already tested it within Orca's code. Tried also with final beep
> of 0.5 seconds - it's long enough for me.
> But you reminded me of something - shouldn't the sounds have a
> different volume setting from the speech? Cause I think many people
> would want that.
> I think that would also solve the "blown ears" problem, though I'm
> using headphones and it doesn't affect me.
>
>   --
> Best wishes,
> Zahari
>
> On 02/17/2016 11:31 PM, chrys87 wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > indeed 0.05 sounds "smarter" :). i will reduce it. I attached the
> > example. just run the test.py
> > > > I think it's better if not reducing volume as pitch increases
> > i think we have to do this. otherwise our ears are blown away XD.
> > but we can adjust the value of decreasing do a more "louder"
> > level?
> >
> > Am 17.02.2016 um 22:24 schrieb Zahari Yurukov: Hi, I think it's
> > better if not reducing volume as pitch increases - it becomes too
> > quiet. Is there a particular reason for that? It sounds good to me
> > without it. Also, I think the frequency of announcing updates in
> > Orca settings is better to be 0 for beeps, i.e. no delay between
> > announcements. I find a duration of 0.075 seconds and one second
> > for beeps a little bit high. Just tried 0.05 and 0.5 and it looks
> > good to me. Is there some way to make sure the final beep is not
> > skipped? Cause now it could happen - if the progress is too fast.
> >
> > BTW, what about the Sound Icons? I hope their not forgotten.
> >
> > Best wishes, Zahari
> >
> > On 02/17/2016 10:03 PM, chrys87 wrote:
> > > > > Howdy,
> > > > >
> > > > > here you can generate a progressbar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Am 17.02.2016 um 20:41 schrieb José Vilmar Estácio de Souza:
> > > > > > Hi all,, a dumb question: Which programs can I use to test
> > > > > > the progress bar? Thanks and sorry for the dumb question!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 02/17/2016 05:20 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey Nolan, all.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Could you please attach the patch to
> > > > > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328? Ditto
> > > > > > > for anyone else interested in tweaking the progress bar
> > > > > > > beeps. If you all can reach consensus, I'm happy to
> > > > > > > commit the agreed-upon experience.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks! --joanie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 02/17/2016 01:20 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hey,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I had some of the same issues with progress bar
> > > > > > > > beeps that I did with NVDA. As an experiment, I whipped
> > > > > > > > up this patch.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Basically, according to my non-coffee-fueled
> > > > > > > > back-of-napkin calculations, the current implementation
> > > > > > > > starts progress bar beeps at a few hundred Hz and
> > > > > > > > scales them up to something like 2100. I don't
> > > > > > > > objectively know what 2.1 KHz sounds like, but I do
> > > > > > > > have some objective notion of what an octave sounds
> > > > > > > > like, and just as a sighted person doesn't have to
> > > > > > > > think about how far along a progress bar is, I think we
> > > > > > > > should have the same convenience.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This patch starts progress bar beeps at middle C and
> > > > > > > > ramps the progression up an octave linearly. I
> > > > > > > > initially had a logarithmic implementation but found it
> > > > > > > > more confusing than I thought. Perceptually the
> > > > > > > > progress bar appeared to move quickly then slow down,
> > > > > > > > which is consistent with the numbers. I haven't tested
> > > > > > > > this out with faster progress bars yet so there may be
> > > > > > > > some benefit to logarithmic, but one thing at a time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We may also be able to drop the volume-scaling code if
> > > > > > > > we're not ramping the frequencies up above 1 KHz, but I
> > > > > > > > haven't tested that yet.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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