Re: [orca-list] more on inaccessibility when run as root

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
I'll test it. Do I simply clone the at-spi2-atk branch and apply the
patch there?
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 12/07/2015 12:14 PM, Mike Gorse wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've seen something similar; currently, when deciding whether to accept
> a connection from an application such as orca, at-spi2-atk tries to
> determine whether the user making the connection is the same user
> running the application being connected to. If the application being
> connected to is running as root, then it tries to figure out whether its
> parent process is owned by the user making the connection. It seems that
> this doesn't always work.
>
> I am considering applying the attached patch. It would be helpful if
> someone is able to test it.
>
> Thanks,
> -Mike
>
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, Peter Vágner wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have already tried looking into this however I don't have a full
> > understanding of the accessibility stack so I was not yet able to come
> > up with a solution / workaround / whatever that might improve the
> > situation.
> >
> > What I have understood so far:
> > - This is not orca's fault since it has already been explained.
> > - I haven't noticed enviromment variables which may control this on my
> > system while testing with gnome.
> > - It's not an at-spi nor ATK's fault as it's installed and launched
> > the same way in gnome and also in mate. I assumed we might miss some
> > dbus configuration files or other gnome specific features when
> > launching gui apps as root.
> >
> > Perhaps someone can remember /root/.orbitrc file where we were able to
> > tune this back in the corba days.
> >
> > I believe if I was able to understand how gnome does it I might be
> > able to replicate this on other desktops.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On 07.12.2015 at 16:35 kendell clark wrote:
> > > hi all
> > > Since I'm trying to improve the accessibility of the mate desktop, I've
> > > been digging into why apps being launched as root are inaccessible to
> > > orca. Joanie pointed out that generating a debug log wouldn't help
> > > because orca isn't recieving any events so can't process them. I think
> > > I've found a reproduceable way to encounter the issue. Steps to
> > > reproduce. 1: Log into mate in your favorite login manager. 2: make sure
> > > orca starts. 3: run an app that requires root privs, example gparted. 4:
> > > Log out and log back into a desktop such as gnome or unity which this
> > > does work. Do not restart, but press the log out button in mate's menus.
> > > then try to launch the same app you just did using mate. What should
> > > happen is that orca should then read the app. But this doesn't work.
> > > This leads me to think this is an at-spi, rather than an orca issue. But
> > > I'll need help from someone smarter than me to tell for sure. If anyone
> > > can confirm or at least get close, I'll file a bug against at-spi2-core
> > > so that this can get fixed. Note that this happens in cinnamon also
> > > sometimes but not always. I think it may have something to do with the
> > > fact that when logging out, the copy of at-spi2-registryd isn't killed,
> > > instead a new instance is spawned, which can sometimes lead orca to
> > > start but not speak because you can only have so many instances going at
> > > once. Why orca doesn't connect to the existing one I don't know but I'm
> > > sure it tries to.
> > > Thanks
> > > Kendell clark
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