Re: [orca-list] Default behavior for quick key toggling of focus mode is changed

["B. Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>]

As is oft the case I'll preface my comment, and in this case question/possible request with an excuse me if 
I'm missing 
something. I spend more time in the CLI than the GUI and may be unaware of the best way to use some orca 
features, or even 
ignorant as to the existence of something.
I'm still frustrated by the need to use either two keystrokes that require moving of a handi.e. toggling 
focus mode on 
with orca a, or three keystrokes using tab and then shift tab to go in and out of a long combo box to 
continue my arrowing 
down, (or up for that matter. 
This is no big deal if there are only 3 or 4 items to deal with, and may be no big deal when one can use 
first letter nav, 
e.g. a country list, but in lists where one is either completely unfamiliar with what options are available, 
or when the 
first characters do not change and the list has 100 entries this is a huge time waster. 
Is there a way to deal with extensive combo boxes efficiently at the moment?
If not, and maybe even if so, could a sticky focus mode key binding be created? 
I tried turning carrot nav on and off, but still I'm put back in to browse mode after moving once. Actually 
the first time 
I use the combo box where I've been rather active this week I can go down twice from the please select 
heading, and after 
that only once with out the one or two extra keystrokes for each up or downward movement.
It looks like I need to get another new version from git, so I'll wait to see if I can confirm/isolate a 
couple other 
possible issues/regressions. 
Overall I continue to be impressed and very happy with the greatly improved performance, and somewhat 
improved stability 
with arrowing up and down webpages. Not NVDA there yet, but night and day different from when I first started 
using orca, 
and quite noticeably better than the 3.13 builds before this current adventure started.
Regards,
--
B.H.
 

On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 11:28:33PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

> Hey all.
>
> Thanks for the feedback. It appears we have a consensus. (Yay!) As a
> result, the behavior is now as follows:
>
> * Pressing keys like "e" to move to the next entry will not auto-trigger
>   focus mode by default. You can now press "e" until the cows come home.
>   When you finally reach the entry you wish to fill out, press Orca + a
>   to toggle into focus mode.
>
> * If you do not like the above default, you can still configure it via
>   orca-customizations.py (now) and via GUI (very soon, probably Monday).
>
> * Using the "list of" dialogs like Alt + Shift + e will trigger focus
>   mode automatically.
>
> * Using other means to change focus to a form field, such as Tab, Mouse
>   Click, Web App mnemonics, etc. will trigger focus mode automatically.
>
> * Using Orca's caret navigation commands to arrow into a form field will
>   not, by default, trigger focus mode. But this is also configurable --
>   and has nothing to do with the quick-key ("e") setting.
>
> I think that covers everything. Please let me know if you have any
> questions.
>
> Thanks again for all your testing and feedback on this and on the other
> new features and fixes! Orca 3.14 is starting to shape up quite nicely I
> think.
>
> --joanie
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