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Re: [orca-list] Which distribution to switch to from Windows? [was "Re: A real message with a question"]

We are currently using Windows 7 for office work. I am thinking of 
installing Ubuntu 12.04.1 as the base system and running Windows 7 in 
virtualbox. I do need to keep Windows for testing software and for 
occasional use. I will be using a Braille display, since I am deaf as 
well as blind. Specifically, it is the Braille Note mPower. The Windows 
screenreader will be Jaws. I've heard that it works in a VM. My business 
manager does most of the office work, but I must be able to see what he 
is doing. We also use the machine for communication.

Thanks,
John

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 01:51:12PM +0100, Peter Vïgner wrote:

Hello,
Unfortunatelly this does not answer the original question however I must 
add it as I do like the idea.
I have recently installed arch using the jully talking arch which works 
well.
There were some little things I had to deal with until it started fully 
working like I wanted it to however what I like about arch is that they 
have nice wiki with a lot of perfectly written articles. While following 
their install and beginner guides you can learn how the distro works so 
you will then get prapared for some real maintenance.
With ubuntu it is still quicker to reinstall once something breaks up 
and I hope with arch power users can become just a bit more powerfull by 
knowig some more details.

The only thing which does not work for me in my arch install is 
accessible login screen. It uses gdm and I dont know how to launch orca 
and set all the appropriate accessibility related properties while gdm 
session starts.

Greetings

Peter



On 29.11.2012 07:55, D.J.J. Ring, Jr.  wrote:

Debian sid has GNOME Desktop with cinnemon  which is like GNOME 2 and is
accessible.

MATE is just like  GNOME 2 but uses mate applications which are
inaccessible.

Debian Sid has latest GNOME 3 point something which just came out which
makes GNOME 3 just likr GNOME 2 but only much better.  Ubuntu doesn't
have it.

With Debian Sid you always have the latest packages and it rolls instead
of being released.

Debian's problems are you have to add multimedia and non-free
repositories to it.  Also Debian will not allow Firefox or Thunderbird
because the icons  are copyrighted.

Also Debian used Desktop packages as does Ubuntu so if you wanted to
remove mate-terminal  and put in gnome-terminal which talks, the package
system says it has to remove the rest of GNOME.  Really stupid.

Easiest thing to do is install Debian MINT, edit /etc/apt/sources file
and paste in Debian sources and put # in front of the Debian MINT sources.

You can use smxi to do updates.

Unfortunately you have to edit that script file and comment out the
section that mentions Debian MINT because smxi thinks it will not work.

Debian is much easier to use than Ubuntu if you do a bit of work..

Also you need to know what drivers you nerd for wifi but once you know
the name it is done for you.

Debian could use jockey-gtk but that darned FREE software policy does
not allow that.

If Ubuntu goes back to a recular desktop, all will be well.

If someone made a working command line iso file of ARCH linux that talks
I would go with that as it has the very new GNOME that one again talks
even though it is designed for touch screen which is a seeing thing.  I
would install ARCH in a heartbeat but I have tried three three times to
install but I cannot do it, it is like the instructions are missing.

But even with Ubuntu going touch screen and MATE which is a 2.0 like
desktop, all that insanity is still better than Windows.

David

On Nov 28, 2012 7:53 PM, "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain gmail com
<mailto:chaltain gmail com>> wrote:

   Why wouldn't you consider Ubuntu? I think Ubuntu 12.04 LTS would be
   close to what you're looking for.

   On 28/11/12 18:48, John J. Boyer wrote:
    > I am thinking of switching from Windows to Linux for ofgice work.
   So I
    > want to avoid the bleeding edge, but I do want reasonably up-to-date
    > accessibility features and desktop. I'll be using LibreOffice. What
    > would be a good compromise between Ubuntu and CentOS?
    >
    > Thanks,
    > John
    >
    > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 06:23:07PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
    >> Hello John,
    >>
    >>
    >> On 11/28/12, John J. Boyer <john boyer abilitiessoft com
   <mailto:john boyer abilitiessoft com>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> My question is whether anyone has had experience with Orca on
   CentOS
    >>> 6.3.
    >>
    >> Well, is there something specific you want to know? About the only
    >> thing I can tell you is because CentOS is largely using Enterprise
    >> packages like Red Hat Enterprise the accessibility stack is
   extremely
    >> old. From what I can tell CentOS 6.3 is still using Gnome 2.x and
    >> at-spi 1.x, and they are way behind in terms of modern Orca
    >> dependencies etc. This isn't unusual for Enterprise Linux as every
    >> Enterprise system I've seen over the last couple of years is way
    >> behind in terms of VI access packages where distributions like
   Ubuntu
    >> try to stay on the bleeding edge of things.
    >>
    >> Cheers!
    >> _______________________________________________
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    >> orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>
    >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
    >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
    >> The manual is at
   http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
    >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
    >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
    >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
    >

   --
   Christopher (CJ)
   chaltain at Gmail
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_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at 
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at 
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


-- 
John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
Abilitiessoft, Inc.
http://www.abilitiessoft.com
Madison, Wisconsin USA
Developing software for people with disabilities
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