Re: [orca-list] GNOME3 overview and Orca

[Robert cole <rkcole72984 gmail com>]

Hello, Piñeiro.

For me this is no big deal--referring to the focus jumping to the search 
feature when typing as soon as the Overview is opened. I have used GNOME 
for the past five years or so, though, and I like to learn new things, 
so that is what I did when GNOME 3 was released--I went to this GNOME 
Library page [1] and started reading!

As far as the immediate search when typing as soon as the Overview is 
opened, some users who would be new to GNOME (meaning they have never 
used it before whatsoever) could possibly become confused because they 
do not know what to expect or what to do unless they are taught or 
informed about this in some way, shape or form. the problem is, though, 
that some people (I used to be one) will just jump in without reading, 
mistakenly call a "feature" a "bug", get frustrated, and leave.

I am not completely sure if writing a guide would be absolutely 
necessary as I found this line when reading the Introduction to GNOME 
page [2]:

"...You can also just start typing to search your applications, files, 
and folders."

I am not sure what to do in the case of brand new Linux users who have 
never even heard of GNOME, however. I can see how you would think that 
this feature could be misleading, however. Take, for example, a user who 
is used to opening up menus and lists, and using the first letter of an 
application or menu to jump to that specific application or menu (e.g. 
[T]erminal)

I am sorry that I cannot be of much help, but I just wanted to add in my 
two cents in response to your message.

Take care ,and all the best.


[1] http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/
[2] 
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-introduction.html.en

On 02/17/2012 10:42 AM, Piñeiro wrote:
> Hi,
>
> during the last weeks I have been working on improving the ATK support
> for GNOME Shell (for example [1][2][3][4][5]), the default desktop for
> GNOME3, and now I have a doubt related to make things more intuitive.
> Specifically, related to what happens when you enter on the overview.
>
> Background: On GNOME Shell the behaviour is different to previous GNOME
> desktop. As with other desktop, initially you are placed on the Desktop.
> If you press Alt+Tab you move between application windows. If you press
> Alt+Ctrl+Tab you move between different parts of the desktop, like top
> panel. But, when you press Alt+F1 you don't move to an applications
> menu. You get moved to the overview. Anyway the purpose of both is more
> or less the same. The purpose of the overview is also searching for
> applications and places. Once you are at the overview, if you press
> Ctrl+Alt+Tab you can move to a different places:
>
>    * Dash : list of favourites applications (get focused on the first
> one) accessibility support is still a work in progress
>    * Applications: the list of all the applications, you can navigate to
> the right region to select categories. List of applications are
> accessible, categories work in progress
>    * Search: it is a search entry. Something similar to a google search.
> When you set the focus here Orca presents his hint "Type to search". If
> you start to type, a search is started and you can navigate on the list
> of items
>    * Top Panel: like in the normal view
>    * Windows: select again the main overview region
>
> My question is related to what happen when you move to the overview. If
> you press Alt+F1, Orca expose "overview panel" because the object
> focused is the overview panel containing all this stuff. If the user
> start to write, the focus is automatically moved to the Search Entry and
> Orca briefly presents "Type to search" in order to report the user that
> the focus was moved, as if the Search entry were selected with the
> Ctrl+Alt+Tab shortcut. But I'm not sure if this is misleading, of the
> user can understand what it is happening.
>
> What do you think? It would be enough to write a kind of Orca+GNOME
> Shell guide to explain all this? Or it would be also required to add
> some kind of extra information related with entering the overview?
>
> Thanks for your attention
>
> BR
>
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667432
> [2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668361
> [3] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668366
> [4] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670308
> [5] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670312