Re: [orca-list] XFCE update

[Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976 gmail com>]

Hi,
Sounds awesome! So man desktops so little time lol.
Thanks
Storm

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On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 21:16 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey guys.
>
> Due to the impending code freeze and bug reports coming in now that
> Ubuntu is shipping post-introspection, post-gui-changes Orca, that is
> where most of my attention has been focused. However, I did take the
> time over the weekend to write up some step-by-step instructions on
> building XFCE from source. The reason I've not yet made them available
> is due to that age-old catch-22: In order to access the GUI option to
> enable accessibility support, you must first enable accessibility
> support. And neither of Orca's unstable branches can do that for you
> because orca-xdesktop expects gconf and orca master expect gsettings.
> That's the bad news.
>
> Here's the good news: While pondering how best to solve the bad news,
> I noticed Mike Gorse recently committed a change to AT-SPI2 so that
> there is now a desktop-agnostic means to ask if accessibility support
> has been enabled, and -- the more recent change -- to enable it if
> not. In other words, thanks to these changes there will be no need to
> worry about gconf versus gsettings versus xfconf versus whatever KDE
> uses versus whatever LXDE uses etc. We simply need those desktop
> environments to pay attention to it.
>
> Even better news: Tonight, one of the core XFCE developers took a
> brief look at what needs to be done within XFCE, and he seems to think
> it will be easy. Furthermore, the original proposal for this new
> accessibility activation functionality came from Frederik Gladhorn
> (aka a core Qt accessibility guy) so I'm guessing we'll soon find it
> in place there -- if it is not already in place. We really are going
> to have the ability to use whatever desktop environment(s) and
> applications we want. It's about time. <smiles happily>
>
> Anyhoo, as a result of all the above, my plans are now roughly as follows:
>
> 1. Continue working on the post-introspection, GUI-change bugs to get
> them all resolved by code freeze.
>
> 2. Add support for the new accessibility activation to Orca master.
> Ideally also in time for code freeze.
>
> I'll cross the "what about orca-xdesktop?" bridge later. However, my
> gut is telling me that this new functionality (which requires bleeding
> edge at-spi2) is simply not going to be compatible with the
> orca-xdesktop branch until introspection gets added to that branch,
> and that means also adding Gtk+ 3, and at that point you're
> essentially using master. So why not use master? <smile> In which
> case, the thing to do would be to make orca-xdesktop a more stable,
> bug-fix branch for people using GNOME 2.x, and focus on ensuring
> master is compatible with GNOME 3.x, Unity, KDE, and XFCE. (See item
> 4.)
>
> 3. Once the XFCE developers have made the needed accessibility
> activation changes on their end, I'll post all the details on what you
> need to do to build and use XFCE with Orca from master. (In other
> words, if you wait a tiny bit longer the overall process of building
> and using XFCE with Orca should be much smoother.)
>
> 4. Branch Orca for GNOME 3.2 and then resume my work on the
> GUI-toolkit independence. In other words, we'd have a single GUI and
> code which renders that GUI in Gtk+ or in Qt depending on the
> environment. That way, not only will we have access to all these great
> environments, we'll even look like we belong there. <smiles>
>
> So.... That's it for now. Thank you for your patience with all this!
>
> --joanie
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