Re: [orca-list] Website layouts and orca

[Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes stommepoes nl>]

Hi,
I think this might be why I also have so much trouble using Orca.
I'm never where I expect to be. NVDA does have a "flat review"
section in their help, but it confuzled me.
This is also probably why I've never gotten comfortable with Opera's
spatial navigation.

As a sighted web developer, apparently I think in terms of code
source order rather than whatever BS I do with CSS.  CSS is to make
ugly things less ugly. I expect the source order to make the most
sense, so I expect to be able to follow source order in Lynx or
anyone else. 

However most web sites are built by visual developers or something,
relying on CSS and positioning to convey meaning. So with that being
the case, it makes sense for Orca to try to deal with how somebody
thought it should read like, rather than the crappy code they wrote
underneath.

Someday I'll get the hang of Orca <grin>

-Mallory
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 02:56:17PM -0400, Andy B. wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I am sort of confused. I do web development for a living. I recently  
> migrated to ubuntu permanently because of a Windows crash that wiped my  
> drive out totally. I am used to the way that JAWS, WE, NVDA and all of  
> the other types of windows based screen readers lay out the pages  
> virtual buffer. In this case, by default they are set to display a  
> single element on a line by itself. Examples are individual links, table  
> columns flash players, headings and so on.
>
> It looks like orca lays it out just like a sighted person were to see  
> it. The problem is that it gets very confusing to find/get to different  
> places on the page and it is hard to understand the layout of the page  
> itself. An example is in drupal 7. When signed in as super user (user1),  
> and looking at the homepage of a stock install, it looks like you have  
> headings on the left side of the screen and links on the right side of  
> the screen that are somehow related to the headings on the left. Like I  
> said, I am used to being fed a page with individual elements on a line  
> by itself. Does anyone have any ideas how I can get over this and be  
> able to get around on pages just as fast?
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