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Re: [orca-list] Is anyone using Orca with Emacspeak? And does speech-dispatcher support hardware synths?

Thanks, Michael.  I totally missed the point of that question and
jumped the gun and answered before reading the whole thread.
Mortifying!  Apologies to anyone I may have thrown off.  I will try
the silent.py script to see what comes of it.  These days, my
tinkering time is quite limited.  I've a four week-old little girl and
the wife and I are pretty much busy as beavers with her and the
three-year-old.


Best Regars,
Alex M


On 6/14/11, Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com> wrote:

Hello,
I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick here.

Firstly dealing with the issue you discuss. Orca can be totally silenced
for an application by associating the self_voicing.py script with the
application (the file self_voicing.py can be found in the orca script
directory, eg. on my system
/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/orca/scripts/self_voicing.py). I think
associating it can be done by copying it to a script of the same name as
the application (still keeping the .py extension). Does this help with
using emacs as a gtk application for you?

Now to what was being asked. Emacspeak has the emacspeak speech servers
to allow access in a common way to a number of speech synthesisers.
Currently orca does support the emacspeak speech server system as a way
of communicating with speech synthesisers. Unfortunately changes need to
be made to the speech output part of orca which would mean working on
the orca code which interfaces with emacspeak speech servers. Its
unfortunate as it means more work than if orca only supported one speech
communication system (IE. speech-dispatcher), and so it has been
proposed to drop support for the emacspeak speech server output system.
Currently the emacspeak speech servers are the only way to have orca
work with a hardware synthesiser (NOTE: not all the synthesisers
supported by emacspeak speech servers are included in this feature
anyway, eg. my apollo isn't although I could use my apollo with emacspeak).

Hope this has been useful.

Michael Whapples
On 01/-10/37 20:59, Alex Midence wrote:

Good morning,

I'm late coming to this discussion, unfortunately.  I use Emacspeak
but have never been able to get it to work with Orca.  I don't think
this is Orca's fault though.  From what I have ben able to gather,
Emacs itself causes at-spi to choke.  Alt tabbing out of Emacs and, by
extension Emacspeak causes the system to stall for a few ticks and
then start working again.  Control alt right or left arrow to switch
work spaces does the same thing.  Some work-arounds I've tried have
been running Emacspeak in xterm which Orca does not support and with a
-nw flag to disable the gtk support and also running it in gnome
terminal with the same flag on it but there, Orca talks over
Emacspeak.  In xterm, the meta keys for emacs don't work.  You have to
use escape sequences which is a very fool-proof recipe for driving one
absolutely bonkers in short order.

I didn't like how it acted in both instances so, I personally decided
to run Emacspeak only in console and not in x.  This has worked out
well for me.  If any Orca code needs to exist for Emacspeak, it is
something that would disable at-spi support for that application only
and inform Orca that it is a self voicing application.  This would
allow one to cut and paste from Emacs to other applications in Gnome
and use Emacs as default editor for some IDE's like Anjuta and PIDA,
for instance.  I'd be awesome.  If Orca can't disable at-spi only for
one application and leave all others alone, I for one don't see any
reason for Orca to support Emacspeak at this time until whatever
causes at-spi to freeze Gnome can be resolved.  I think it's a bug
with Emacs and Metacity though I encountered this with ice WM and
Compiz WM as well so, who can really say there.

Hope this helps,
Alex M

On 6/12/11, Joanmarie Diggs<joanied gnome org>  wrote:

Hey guys.

We have some really old code in Orca to support Emacspeak and a few
hardware speech synthesizers. Orca's support in this area was at best
minimal. Whether or not this support is even still functional is
something I need to investigate. My question is: Is this Orca code even
needed?

Someone will almost certainly say: "Might as well keep it in. What harm
does it do?" One of the things which is prompting my question is that I
want to look at finishing and integrating the plugin support work. And
one of the things that will be made "pluginable" are presentation
modalities (speech, braille, etc.). So really what I am asking is: Do we
need to take the time to do the work to convert this old code as part of
the plugin work, or can we just drop it?

As a related aside, in an ideal world, speech-dispatcher would support
everything we need. And maybe it already does. I still need to
investigate this as well. But if anyone happens to know definitively if
speech-dispatcher supports hardware speech synthesizers and wants to
save me some googling, I'd be most appreciative of the answer.<smiles>

Thanks guys! Take care.
--joanie

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