Hi, On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 08:29:28AM +0200, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
If language is based on locale, it's only ok so long as the ability to change it is there easily... if some weird upgrade bug gives me a French locale how would I navigate the terminal to change it? I don't speak French. Also if I'm on someone else's machine.
how is this different from the problem a sighted person has if this happens? Its not on topic, but I've heard of sighted people changing the language in a terminal when they didn't know anything about the current locale. While its pretty hard with a gui I imagine, if you know you need to set $LANG $LC_* then you can manage it since you know what you need to type. Trev
I like the automatically switch languages based on markup. We bother to put lang attributes in our tags and hope they work. Though again with an override, as plenty of authors are lazy and put one language inside another lang attribute <bleg>. I often see this in English- created CMSes where the client language is Dutch. The "skip to content" and "please enable Javascript" default text usually isn't corrected by clients. On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 04:51:04PM +0100, Paul Hunt wrote:Hey all, On the subject of the Orca roadmap. I would like the language detection / switching feature to be high on the priority list. I've been talking to people on the Ubuntu accessibility IRC channel and this subject has come up. One person wanted to know why, having selected a different language to English on the Ubuntu live CD boot screen, Orca still came up speaking in English. Another (sighted) user did a headless install and blogged about the experience. He commented that he assumed that if he had selected a different language at the start of the boot process then he would get an accessible install in that language... wrong... I would like to suggest that we have an ability to detect the desired language based on the gnome locale setting and use an appropriate voice if available. I know we have bugs 400717 - detect languages and bug 419742 - Ability to manually switch languages, but I just wanted to flag the issue again. I also think an option to automatically switch languages on the fly wen reading text marked as being in a particular language in Firefox or Open Office would be really neat for all our users / contributors who correspond with us in English but have a different native language. On to my other points... If language detection is one day implemented (so Orca will by default start up in a locale determined language), could we do away with the Orca setup routine? Personally I think it would make much more sense to start up using some sensible defaults and then provide something like a quick start wizard that could be run at any time (from the Orca main window) to let users configure basic settings for speech, braille and magnification if they wish to. I imagine the setup routine confuses a lot of people, particularly people who might be wishing to run Orca for test purposes, to have Orca suddently firing questions at them left, right and centre. We could at least make the setup routine optional. "Welcome to Orca. Since this is the first time you have run Orca would you like to run a quick start wizard to configure some basic settings? If not this wizard can be run at any time from the Orca main window" etc. Another idea that came up was maybe Orca could offer to run a tutorial similar to the Mac's Voiceover tutorial when it's run for the first time. If we could detect the language to use, and detect whether or not we're on a notebook and if brltty is running we could have Orca start up with reasonable settings for the user. My final idea here is (and I think it's come up before) is to have settings profiles. These would be selectable from the Orca main window and there would be a "Configure" button that would bring up the Preferences GUI to enable the selected profile to be customised. The default profiles that spring to mind are; Full Speech, Minimal Speech (for the LD users) and Magnifier only. The user could of course create their own profiles that could be switched between either with some customisable toggle keys or perhaps automatically if the language changes... Thoughts, comments etc? Paul _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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