Re: [orca-list] Orca and reading position in thunderbird message list

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

Wow, I didn't realize Orca was giving you such low numbers.  I
confused that with what shows on the status bar and spoken when
pressing the KP+Enter key twice.  You're right; when a full list like
that, I would think Orca should speak the total from the whole list.
When threaded however, I would think the best Orca could do would be
to speak the total number of items in the list so if a single thread
is collapsed and it contains five messages, then the total then would
be 4 less than when fully expanded.

Just my thoughts.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:22:45PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
> Hello,
> To clear a few things up:
> * I have no threading or grouping of messages, thunderbird shows my
> inbox as a single list of messages with nothing to expand or
> collapse.
> * When I was saying about orca saying things like 30 of 31 (the
> total never seems to exceed 31) I mean is orca only counting those
> messages which fit on the screen.
>
> So now reassessing the question: Should orca count only those
> messages which fit in the window towards the total or should it
> count all messages in that section of the list? IE. in my case where
> there is no threading or grouping the total would be the number of
> messages in the folder, in the case of threading/grouping being
> enabled then orca should count the messages of that group.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:05:01PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > I have noticed something interesting about the way orca reports the
> > > position of the selection in the thunderbird message list. It
> > > reports the selection as being something out of 30 or 31, although I
> > > have 517 messages in the folder.
> > >
> > > My questions go:
> > > * Is orca reporting only those shown on the screen (I suspect this
> > > may be yes).
> > Yes, I think so.
> >
> > > * If yes to the previous question, is this really the desired way of
> > > reporting the position? I personally would have thought not, I would
> > > have thought all the messages should count towards the total. What
> > > do others think?
> > I think the problem lies with the question of whether threading is
> > being used or not.  I'll have to play with this some more to be sure
> > but I'm quite certain Orca sees the list as what is currently
> > displayed and messages under collapsed threads are not shown thus not
> > counted either.  I'll bet if threading is not used or if all threads
> > are fully expanded that the count will reflect the real total.
> >
> > As for whether Orca should do this or not be driven by how listviews
> > are populated; Orca might not have a real choice in this situation.