Re: [orca-list] Let's decide on live region re-bindings and move on :-)

[Rui Batista <ruiandrebatista gmail com>]

Hi Joanmarie, all,
Qui, 2010-04-29 Ãs 19:02 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs escreveu:
> Hey all.
[...]

> To recap: From the previous discussions, it's clear to me that we all
> agree that the new radio button bindings should be r and shift r. The
> thing standing in our way is the fact that r and shift r are currently
> bound to next and previous live region. From those same discussions, it
> is pretty clear that we all agree that it is worth snatching r and shift
> r away from live region. Thus the only thing that remains to be
> determined is what the new bindings for next and previous live region
> shall be. Here are the candidates:
>
> 1. d and shift d
> 2. g and shift g
> 3. n and shift n
> 4. y and shift y
> 5. unbound
>
> Here are my opinions on each, for what they are worth. (In other words,
> I'm just another voter.):
Here are my oppinion and vote:


> 1. d and shift d: I vote for this one, mainly because it doesn't suffer
> from the problems I see with the rest. :-)
+1. 

the letter d reminds of dynamic so... In portuguese is "dinÃmico" and in
most languages I know is something like that...


> 2. g and shift g: Orca currently does not have structural navigation by
> graphic/image. But some other screen readers do, and this is the binding
> those screen readers associate with it. What if, at some point down the
> road, we decide that we too should have navigation by graphic? We'll all
> be back here voting on what the next and previous live region shall be
> re-bound to. Talk about dÃjà vu all over again.... <smile>
Agreed =).

> 3. n and shift n: I believe that this is the JAWS command to skip to the
> next/previous non-link which contains at least 25 characters in it. Orca
> doesn't have such a command. Instead we have large object navigation (o
> and shift o). So I we are less likely have the aforementioned
> down-the-road potential for rebinding redux like we might with
> graphics/images. However, one of the primary goals behind adding these
> bindings in the first place, was to make it easier for new Orca users
> coming to us from other screen readers such as JAWS. If such a user, out
> of sheer habit, presses n or shift n to skip over some links, I think it
> would be better if nothing happened. If instead there happens to be a
> live region on the page and the user is moved to it, I think that would
> be confusing/disorienting.
I always found that JAWS shorcut a bit confusing, heuristics are good
but have the problem the their name suggest, heuristic....

> 4. y and shift y: This option would require that we first change the
> binding for the command which moves to the last live region presented.
> I'd be fine with that if there were a compelling reason to make y and
> shift y the new bindings for next and previous live region. But I don't
> think such a reason exists. So why rebind something else?
Sure... 

> 5. unbound: To be honest, I don't know how many live regions there are
> out in the wild. If there are a bunch of live regions out there, then I
> think we'd want to have existing bindings for them because from the
> new-user perspective, it's easier to discover what a binding is than to
> bind it. If no one is using live regions, then we could unbind them
> without much impact.
On the other hand live regions come from WAI-ARIA, orca was one of the
first screen readers to implement support for it. Leaving it unbound
might be another eason to people don't noticing existance of live
regions and don't implementing it.

Best regards

Rui Batista



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