Re: [orca-list] Incorporating Storm Dragon's customizations

[Jacob Schmude <j schmude gmail com>]

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Hi
I don't think the at-spi framework itself can work that way yet. It
would be very nice if it did, that would put Orca on an equal footing
with Apple's Voiceover in a very important area. It's not Orca forcing
the logout as best I understand it. Personally, I think the problem is
that at-spi is optional at all. It should be enabled, forceably, at all
times. Not only would this eliminate the login/logout issue, but it
would also *force* application developers to make applications stable
under at-spi. We'd see an end to at-spi related crashes of applications
as a result, and having instant access to Orca would be a seriously
awesome side benefit.

On 04/12/2010 06:33 PM, Alex H. wrote:
> As usual, differing opinions, which is fine.
>
> I partly agree that a screen reader shouldn't look up the weather for
> you, but this is up to the user to install the script or not.  Plus
> this still doesn't tackle starting at-spi and logging out and back in
> on a public computer.
>
> Alex
>
> On 4/12/10, Jacob Schmude <j schmude gmail com> wrote:
> Hi
> I only agree to a point. I agree there should be a default key to turn
> on Orca. Interestingly, in systems like Ubuntu, there is an
> accessibility shortcut you can assign that says "toggle screenreader"
> but as far as I've been able to determine, once assigned, it doesn't
> actually do anything. I had to create a shortcut key to start Orca myself.
> The three customizations I would integrate are time, date, and battery
> status. Possibly the clipboard reading keys too. The others though I do
> not believe should be integrated into Orca. It is not the place of a
> screen reader to look up the weather for you, nor should it change the
> system volume. I don't buy that multimedia keys "hard to find" idea,
> they're no harder to find than any other nonstandard key and you only
> have to find them once and then you know where they are. Also, if you
> don't like the multimedia keys, just reassign the volume up/down/mute
> keys in gnome's keyboard shortcut preferences. That's what they're there
> for, let's not duplicate functionality that really has nothing to do
> with Orca in the first place.
> However, while I'd integrate the three shortcuts listed above, I'd
> change how they're done. It should probably be avoided calling shell
> commands that might not be there, in particular the acpi command for
> battery status isn't usually installed by default. It should probably
> query GNOME for this information instead if such is possible and, in the
> case of the time/date keys, honor your regional configurations along
> with it.
>
> What does everyone think?
>
> On 04/12/2010 12:38 PM, Bill Cox wrote:
> > > > Storm Dragon has a cool and very useful set of customizations he adds
> > > > to Orca.  He has a web-page for generating a customized
> > > > orca-customizations.py file:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.stormdragon.us/orca-customizations/
> > > >
> > > > We ship his customizations in Vinux by default, but it would be pretty
> > > > nice if they were simply part of Orca's default setup, in my opinion.
> > > > I feel particularly strong about his new volume control keybindings.
> > > > As a goal, I feel the Linux community should try and make all the
> > > > major Linux distros accessible by default to the blind, which will
> > > > require a standard Gnome keybinding for launching Orca, which should
> > > > likely be Control+Alt+o.  Once that's done, blind users will still
> > > > need to be able to control the volume, which is normally on
> > > > multi-media keys, and hard to find.  Public Linux boxes also tend to
> > > > be muted by sighted users, so a blind person will need access to the
> > > > volumee controls.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
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