Re: [orca-list] Announcing Orca's support for Empathy (other clients to follow)

[Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>]

Sweet. Haven't taken the Lucid plunge yet, but I do have a question. Has 
Empathy implemented caret-browsing in chat windows? Or, maybe that isn't 
the right term, but something similar to what happens when F6 is pressed 
in Pidgin conversations? I'd like to switch to Empathy soon to play with 
tubes plus many of its other advanced XMPP features, but really need 
this feature as it's something I use regularly in Pidgin.

It is, of course, an Empathy rather than an Orca issue, but one that 
directly impacts accessibility, and one which I can't yet check myself 
since I'm still on 2.28.

Thanks.


On 04/11/2010 04:22 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
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> Hi
> Awesome, and thanks much. A suggestion to anyone thinking about trying
> this though, make sure you're running GNOME 2.30 so as to have the
> latest version of Empathy. The earlier version in GNOME 2.28 has a lot
> of accessibility/useability problems that have since been fixed. I've
> tried both, and there's no contest. So far it seems to work pretty well
> on the Orca side of things. I don't notice any problems yet, and it's
> faster than the Pidgin scripts in large conversation windows.
>
> On 04/11/2010 04:37 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>    
> > Hey all.
> >
> > Today, I checked in a new generic chat module into Orca git master. Its
> > primary purpose is twofold: make it really, really easy to implement
> > chat functionality for new clients and have that functionality be
> > consistent in terms of the user experience with Orca. There are no doubt
> > bugs which will be found and improvements to be made, but I don't think
> > this support sucks too badly in its current form.<smile>
> >
> > An additional goal is to migrate the Pidgin script over to this new
> > support. That will be a big change with the threat of breakage.
> > Therefore, instead I figured I'd implement support for the official chat
> > client in GNOME, Empathy. There is now an Empathy script in place and,
> > at least from my testing with Lucid, it largely seems to work as
> > expected.
> >
> > Known issues with Orca + Empathy:
> >
> > * Certain "themes" don't seem especially accessible. I need to
> > investigate further. In the meantime, please choose the "Classic" theme
> > in the Empathy preferences.
> >
> > * In the buddy list, Orca is reporting that the number of items in an
> > expandable node is one more than it should be. From my initial
> > debugging, it appears that we're getting the wrong count. I need to keep
> > digging and then decide how best to proceed.
> >
> > * Identifying when your buddy is typing looks like it is going to be
> > tricky and will likely require a change to Empathy. (We get events; just
> > no details to distinguish what the new status is. Might be typing, away,
> > offline, busy, or something else.)
> >
> > * Various and sundry potential usability problems in Empathy. I say
> > "potential" because I'm not an Empathy user (or at least I wasn't), and
> > therefore I'm not familiar with every last setting which might make life
> > better for users who are blind. We'll have to help each other with this
> > and figure out what we can do in Orca versus what we need the Empathy
> > guys to implement. Which brings me to:
> >
> > Please, please, please pull git master if you're comfortable doing so
> > and test this new support. Remember the goal of ultimately migrating the
> > Pidgin script to this new code. We need to beat on the new stuff to be
> > sure there are no major goofs.... It would also be nice to give the
> > Empathy guys feedback and have a really, really accessible official chat
> > client for GNOME 3.0.
> >
> > While you're doing that, I plan to look for other chat clients which are
> > pretty accessible and which there is little-to-no support in Orca and
> > crank out scripts for them. As I do this, I'll make announcements here.
> >
> > Thanks y'all!
> > --joanie
> >
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