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Re: [orca-list] Orca and Fedora 11

Hello Orca users,

I wonder if anyone can help me with this problem?

I got a shock today when I loaded fedora 11 and found that the PC responds
very sluggishly when Orca is loaded. To check this, I unloaded Orca and my
sighted colleague noted that the response was much livelier. How much, I
cannot say as we did not measure it in any precise way. When I reloaded Orca
the response went back to very sluggish. By this, I mean taking about full
seconds to move the cursor between buttons on the Orca Preference General
page. Likewise, on the Main menu.

I thought it might have to do with Pulse Audio. This may be so, but we found
that Fedora 11 is so engaged with Pulse Audio that the system warned that
about fifteen major systems would be impaired by this action, including the
main menu, the configuration tool and so on. 

Any ideas?

I am running on a brand new PC with no other operating system running on it.
 


All the best,
 
Cearbhall 
 

T:(01) 6364364 M: 083 33 234 87 E: omeadhrac ncad ie 

 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Orca and Open Office (Michael Whapples)
   2. Re:  Orca and Open Office (Halim Sahin)
   3.  orca general audio support (sound icons, etc) (Rui Batista)
   4. Re:  orca general audio support (sound icons, etc) (ashley)
   5. Re:  orca general audio support (sound icons, etc) (Aruni Sharma)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:03:51 +0100
From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com>
To: Orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Open Office
Message-ID: <4A9D1BB7 4070804 aim com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hello,
Sounds like you fell into the usual trap, openoffice on Linux doesn't need
the java access bridge (even though the java access bridge would be nice for
you to include in vinux), openoffice can use the GTK/gnome interface stuff.
Try the debian package openoffice.org-gnome or if you want to try and keep
things trimmed to the absolute minimum then the package openoffice.org-gtk
will make open office accessible (NOTE: 
openoffice.org-gnome depends on openoffice.org-gtk).

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Anthony Sales wrote:

Hi All,

just tried installing open office 2.4 and the java access bridge on 
Debian Lenny and Orca doesn't read anything out or echo key presses. 
Is there any other packages I need to install or any other 
configuration I need to do to get it to work? Orca was already 
installed and configured, do I need to reinstall? I had the same 
results with Open Office 3 but presumed it was because it was from

backports. Any clues would be appreciated.


drbongo

   




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:32:34 +0200
From: Halim Sahin <halim sahin t-online de>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Open Office
Message-ID: <20090901143234 GA10824 halim local>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi,
Note:
openoffice 2.4 has many a11y related problems.
Better use oo 3.
BR.
halim

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Halim Sahin
E-Mail:                         
halim.sahin (at) t-online.de


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:05:37 +0100
From: Rui Batista <ruiandrebatista gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] orca general audio support (sound icons, etc)
Message-ID: <1251817537 11505 2 camel ragb-laptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Hi all,

My name is Rui Batista and I'm from Portugal (some of you may already
know me from this and other lists).
Now, due to an university course I'm taking (my university is Instituto
Superior T?cnico here in Lisbon) I can work more seriously in orca, in
particular I'm taking the opportunity to develop orca general audio
support and based on this, use sound (sometimes they call it sound icons
and things like that) to improve the user experience in orca.

There are already some screen readers using sounds to provide
information to users, cases are NVDA, JAWS (MSN messenger script for
example) and emacspeak. I'd like to know what use cases of sounds you
like in other screen readers, what do you would like to have implemented
in orca related to sound, what new great ideas you have no one add
implemented yet in other screen reader but you think will be great for
orca?
Here are some ideas I collected for now:

=== Beep on Progress bar Updates ===

 * Description: on progress bar updates, inform the user of the relative
percentage using beeps of various frequencies.
 * Details: One great idea implemented in the nVDA screen reader is the
beep on progress bar updates functionality. When the current application
as a progress bar control and that control changes the value NVDA beeps
informing the user of the completed percentage on the progress bar.
Higher the beep frequency, higher the progress bar value. This is really
useful when copying or downloading files, installing packages, etc.

=== Provide Mouse Localization using Sound ===

 * Description: when the user moves the mouse, provide mouse
localization in screen using sound.
 * Details: The current mouse review feature in orca provides a way to
inform the user of the object under the mouse pointer. Using sound, it
is also possible to inform the location of the object on screen using
pan (stereo) and pitch, pan provides the horizontal coordinate and pitch
the vertical one. For example, if the user moves the mouse to the screen
top left corner, orca plays a high pitch beep on the left speaker, on
the bottom right corner it plays a low frequency beep on the right
speaker. This feature is also present on the NVDA screen reader.

=== Audio cues when Crossing line boundaries ===

 * Description: When in flat review, when navigating a text area, and in
"say all", Orca should provide an option to present an audio cue to the
user when they cross line boundaries.
 * Details: I don't recall if I saw this feature on emacspeak but it
seems really interesting from an usability standpoint
    * Notes: bug #354474 filled on
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354474

=== Report miss-spelled Words using Sound ===

    * Description: use a sound icon to report miss-spelled words instead
of using speech
    * Details: Currently in firefox for example, miss-spelled words are
reported using speech (the synth inform the user "miss-spelled word").
Using a sound icon the user can be informed of the mistake without
interrupting the normal text flow. This must be synchronized with the
speech flow.

=== Sound on bodytyping in pidgin ===

    * Description: When a body is typing in pdigin (or some other IM
client) inform this fact using sound instead of saying "body is typing"
    * Details: This is a feature heavily used by the JAWS screen reader
users and seems good from an usability perspective.
  

=== Audio support configuration ===

 * Description: The user should be able to configure audio support in
orca
 * Details: some users don't like sounds going around, some other pref
ere them to play lower, some must turn the off on some occasions. There
must be a way to turn sounds off, control there overall volume, possibly
change the sound card where they are played, Etc. There must be also a
good default configuration for most users, for example use gnome
settings for Te sound card output.


And there are really many more good ways to use sound, I know you all
must have things to say :)

I created a page to talk about audio support in orca:

HTTP://live.gnome.org/Orca/audio

For now it is just a draft, I'm asking here for contributions so I can
gather a good base and organize the information there.

With your feedback I plan to write the requirements (mor or less
formally), designing  and then start coding.

For the tech people here this will be implemented using the gstreamer
multimedia framework.

With kind regards,

Rui Batista


Rui Batista
E-mail/googletalk: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com
MSN/WLM: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com (don't send mail to this
on)
Skype: ruiandrebatista
twitter: http://twitter.com/ragb
weblog: http://outputstream.wordpress.com



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:30:46 +0100
From: "ashley" <ash cox talktalk net>
To: "Rui Batista" <ruiandrebatista gmail com>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca general audio support (sound icons, etc)
Message-ID: <005801ca2b21$9020bc20$6501a8c0 ashley4d281b4c>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
        reply-type=original

the voiceover on the mac sounds are quite good.
ash
Personal website:
www.ashleycox.co.uk
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rui Batista" <ruiandrebatista gmail com>
To: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: [orca-list] orca general audio support (sound icons, etc)



Hi all,

My name is Rui Batista and I'm from Portugal (some of you may already
know me from this and other lists).
Now, due to an university course I'm taking (my university is Instituto
Superior T?cnico here in Lisbon) I can work more seriously in orca, in
particular I'm taking the opportunity to develop orca general audio
support and based on this, use sound (sometimes they call it sound icons
and things like that) to improve the user experience in orca.

There are already some screen readers using sounds to provide
information to users, cases are NVDA, JAWS (MSN messenger script for
example) and emacspeak. I'd like to know what use cases of sounds you
like in other screen readers, what do you would like to have implemented
in orca related to sound, what new great ideas you have no one add
implemented yet in other screen reader but you think will be great for
orca?
Here are some ideas I collected for now:

=== Beep on Progress bar Updates ===

* Description: on progress bar updates, inform the user of the relative
percentage using beeps of various frequencies.
* Details: One great idea implemented in the nVDA screen reader is the
beep on progress bar updates functionality. When the current application
as a progress bar control and that control changes the value NVDA beeps
informing the user of the completed percentage on the progress bar.
Higher the beep frequency, higher the progress bar value. This is really
useful when copying or downloading files, installing packages, etc.

=== Provide Mouse Localization using Sound ===

* Description: when the user moves the mouse, provide mouse
localization in screen using sound.
* Details: The current mouse review feature in orca provides a way to
inform the user of the object under the mouse pointer. Using sound, it
is also possible to inform the location of the object on screen using
pan (stereo) and pitch, pan provides the horizontal coordinate and pitch
the vertical one. For example, if the user moves the mouse to the screen
top left corner, orca plays a high pitch beep on the left speaker, on
the bottom right corner it plays a low frequency beep on the right
speaker. This feature is also present on the NVDA screen reader.

=== Audio cues when Crossing line boundaries ===

* Description: When in flat review, when navigating a text area, and in
"say all", Orca should provide an option to present an audio cue to the
user when they cross line boundaries.
* Details: I don't recall if I saw this feature on emacspeak but it
seems really interesting from an usability standpoint
   * Notes: bug #354474 filled on
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354474

=== Report miss-spelled Words using Sound ===

   * Description: use a sound icon to report miss-spelled words instead
of using speech
   * Details: Currently in firefox for example, miss-spelled words are
reported using speech (the synth inform the user "miss-spelled word").
Using a sound icon the user can be informed of the mistake without
interrupting the normal text flow. This must be synchronized with the
speech flow.

=== Sound on bodytyping in pidgin ===

   * Description: When a body is typing in pdigin (or some other IM
client) inform this fact using sound instead of saying "body is typing"
   * Details: This is a feature heavily used by the JAWS screen reader
users and seems good from an usability perspective.


=== Audio support configuration ===

* Description: The user should be able to configure audio support in
orca
* Details: some users don't like sounds going around, some other pref
ere them to play lower, some must turn the off on some occasions. There
must be a way to turn sounds off, control there overall volume, possibly
change the sound card where they are played, Etc. There must be also a
good default configuration for most users, for example use gnome
settings for Te sound card output.


And there are really many more good ways to use sound, I know you all
must have things to say :)

I created a page to talk about audio support in orca:

HTTP://live.gnome.org/Orca/audio

For now it is just a draft, I'm asking here for contributions so I can
gather a good base and organize the information there.

With your feedback I plan to write the requirements (mor or less
formally), designing  and then start coding.

For the tech people here this will be implemented using the gstreamer
multimedia framework.

With kind regards,

Rui Batista


Rui Batista
E-mail/googletalk: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com
MSN/WLM: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com (don't send mail to this
on)
Skype: ruiandrebatista
twitter: http://twitter.com/ragb
weblog: http://outputstream.wordpress.com

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:26:32 +0530
From: Aruni Sharma <aruni100 gmail com>
To: Rui Batista <ruiandrebatista gmail com>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca general audio support (sound icons, etc)
Message-ID: <4A9DC2C0 5070605 gmail com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Hi Rui, one thing I find very irritating is orca announcing again and 
again "finished loading page bla bla bla" while using firefox. orca 
repeats this message again and again even when the page has not loaded 
completely. Although this is related to the progress bar issue only, 
there may be a sound icon included for this purpose.
Thanks,
Aruni.
On 9/1/2009 8:35 PM, Rui Batista wrote:

Hi all,

My name is Rui Batista and I'm from Portugal (some of you may already
know me from this and other lists).
Now, due to an university course I'm taking (my university is Instituto
Superior T?cnico here in Lisbon) I can work more seriously in orca, in
particular I'm taking the opportunity to develop orca general audio
support and based on this, use sound (sometimes they call it sound icons
and things like that) to improve the user experience in orca.

There are already some screen readers using sounds to provide
information to users, cases are NVDA, JAWS (MSN messenger script for
example) and emacspeak. I'd like to know what use cases of sounds you
like in other screen readers, what do you would like to have implemented
in orca related to sound, what new great ideas you have no one add
implemented yet in other screen reader but you think will be great for
orca?
Here are some ideas I collected for now:

=== Beep on Progress bar Updates ===

  * Description: on progress bar updates, inform the user of the relative
percentage using beeps of various frequencies.
  * Details: One great idea implemented in the nVDA screen reader is the
beep on progress bar updates functionality. When the current application
as a progress bar control and that control changes the value NVDA beeps
informing the user of the completed percentage on the progress bar.
Higher the beep frequency, higher the progress bar value. This is really
useful when copying or downloading files, installing packages, etc.

=== Provide Mouse Localization using Sound ===

  * Description: when the user moves the mouse, provide mouse
localization in screen using sound.
  * Details: The current mouse review feature in orca provides a way to
inform the user of the object under the mouse pointer. Using sound, it
is also possible to inform the location of the object on screen using
pan (stereo) and pitch, pan provides the horizontal coordinate and pitch
the vertical one. For example, if the user moves the mouse to the screen
top left corner, orca plays a high pitch beep on the left speaker, on
the bottom right corner it plays a low frequency beep on the right
speaker. This feature is also present on the NVDA screen reader.

=== Audio cues when Crossing line boundaries ===

  * Description: When in flat review, when navigating a text area, and in
"say all", Orca should provide an option to present an audio cue to the
user when they cross line boundaries.
  * Details: I don't recall if I saw this feature on emacspeak but it
seems really interesting from an usability standpoint
     * Notes: bug #354474 filled on
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354474

=== Report miss-spelled Words using Sound ===

     * Description: use a sound icon to report miss-spelled words instead
of using speech
     * Details: Currently in firefox for example, miss-spelled words are
reported using speech (the synth inform the user "miss-spelled word").
Using a sound icon the user can be informed of the mistake without
interrupting the normal text flow. This must be synchronized with the
speech flow.

=== Sound on bodytyping in pidgin ===

     * Description: When a body is typing in pdigin (or some other IM
client) inform this fact using sound instead of saying "body is typing"
     * Details: This is a feature heavily used by the JAWS screen reader
users and seems good from an usability perspective.


=== Audio support configuration ===

  * Description: The user should be able to configure audio support in
orca
  * Details: some users don't like sounds going around, some other pref
ere them to play lower, some must turn the off on some occasions. There
must be a way to turn sounds off, control there overall volume, possibly
change the sound card where they are played, Etc. There must be also a
good default configuration for most users, for example use gnome
settings for Te sound card output.


And there are really many more good ways to use sound, I know you all
must have things to say :)

I created a page to talk about audio support in orca:

HTTP://live.gnome.org/Orca/audio

For now it is just a draft, I'm asking here for contributions so I can
gather a good base and organize the information there.

With your feedback I plan to write the requirements (mor or less
formally), designing  and then start coding.

For the tech people here this will be implemented using the gstreamer
multimedia framework.

With kind regards,

Rui Batista


Rui Batista
E-mail/googletalk: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com
MSN/WLM: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com (don't send mail to this
on)
Skype: ruiandrebatista
twitter: http://twitter.com/ragb
weblog: http://outputstream.wordpress.com

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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at

http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at

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