[orca-list] Fw: Mouseover support in Orca
- From: "Rich Caloggero" <rjc MIT EDU>
- To: "Orca screen reader developers" <orca-list gnome org>
- Subject: [orca-list] Fw: Mouseover support in Orca
- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:35:38 -0400
Maybe the enter key could do this automatically, i.e. route mouse pointer
and click. This way, enter will operate both a normal link and ones which
only respond to onclick. FYI, this is the way Jaws and other windows
One big problem with windows screen readers with regard to onclicks, only
elements with inline onclick handlers are reported as being clickable. If
never knows the element is even clickable. Hopefully, orca will not suffer
from this issue.
Now, having re-read this post and the others in this thread, I realized
that mouseovers were being discussed, not oonclick. I'll send my comments
anyhow in case they are useful, but they probably should be deleted...
In any case, maybe mouseovers could be triggered when you arrow onto the
element. The issue here is that mouseovers tend to trigger the appearance of
menus and such, which generally appear "somewhere else in the dom". For
instance, many times they appear at the end of the dom, and the screen
reader user has no idea of their existance. If a mouseover event were
triggered by arrowing to an element, then how should the screen reader
notify the user that the dom has changed? Liveregions might help, but I see
this case as distinct from the typical use case for liveregion markup.
Along the same lines, if the mouseover is triggered by arrow keys, then what
should happen when the user arrows away from the element that triggered it?
If the user has to arrow away to find out what the dom change was, then the
mouseover should go away because the user is no longer sitting on the
Does any of this make sense?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John covici" <covici ccs covici com>
To: "Steve Holmes" <steve holmes88 gmail com>
Cc: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Mouseover support in Orca has arrived!
I get thiws a lot as well where the mouse pointer is just below the
menu bar and sometimes I can't route it to where the focus is.
on Sunday 07/26/2009 Steve Holmes(steve holmes88 gmail com) wrote
> I wasn't sure either. What I was attempting was all those points
> where there are implied actions such as create event and the days in
> the month. They can be clicked on from flat review but they are not
> links in the normal sense. I seem to run into a lot of that from time
> to time and maybe there could be a way to integrate the mouseover
> feature with routing mouse pointer to the current focus. I thought
> the flat review function was supposed to do this but many times in
> Firefox, the flat review pointer more often than not, sit up on the
> top left of the window over the File menu item. Once I can get the
> pointer on the items I just found to focus, I can click it with decent
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