Re: [orca-list] Keybindings for ARIA landmark roles

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

The thinking of the ARIA folks is that this is a chicken-and-egg 
problem: if screen readers don't support landmarks, then landmarks won't 
get used.  But, if screen readers support landmarks, then users will see 
the value and request more and more content providers use them.

Will

Steve Holmes wrote:
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> This sounds good enough to me.  On the surface, it almost resembols
> frames and the windows implementation of browser navigation uses the m
> and shift M keys to navigate between frames.  Well, I don't see all
> that many frames anymore and I think Orca uses the object navigation
> to deal with that anyway.
>
> One concern I have is I really wonder how much these landmarks will be
> used any how.  Hell, the use of heading markup seems to be on the
> decrease with a lot of pages and that markup is so valuable to users
> of structural navigation and if we have to rely on content developers
> to use these new features, well, I ain't holding my breath. <sigh>
>
> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:14:02AM -0500, Willie Walker wrote:
> > Hi Krishnakant:
> >
> > Determining if there are landmarks can be an expensive operation and can  
> > slow performance down.  So, it might be best to only do landmark  
> > operations when the user explicitly requests them.
> >
> > In any case, what I'm hearing is that you are joining the list of users  
> > who want default keybindings.  Do you think the 'm' key is reasonable  
> > for this?
> >
> > Will
> >
> > Krishnakant wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 09:46 -0500, Willie Walker wrote:
> > > > Hi Krishnakant:
> > > >
> > > > The content provider provides the landmarks as part of the markup.  
> > > > What the Orca feature does is allow the users to navigate between 
> > > > them quickly.
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > > hi will,
> > > this works perfectly.
> > > Just a quick suggestion, as soon as the user lands on a certain web
> > > page, we must announce if there are landmarks set by the page designer
> > > so that the user knows that the move to landmark (next and previous )
> > > can be useful on this page.
> > >
> > > Since orca is locating landmarks, i believe orca knows that there are
> > > defined landmarks on the page.
> > > I believe this is the way the scrip for mozila works?  or is it that the
> > > first time user presses the move to next landmark key that orca finds if
> > > there are any landmarks?
> > >
> > > happy hacking.
> > > Krishnakant.
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