Re: [orca-list] Notification Area in Top Panel

[Jacob Schmude <j schmude gmail com>]

Hi Rich


On Feb 18, 2009, at 14:41, Rich Caloggero wrote:

> OK, following Jacob's instructions below:
>
> 1. When I tab past the help item on the top panel, I then get three  
> tabstops
> which say nothing. In Jacob's comments below, he claims they should  
> announce
> themselves as "icon". WHy am I not hearing this?
>
> I'm using GNOME 2.25 on my system, and they are announced as "icon"  
> there. In 8.10, I sometimes did not get anything announced unless I  
> tabbed then shift-tabbed back over them. I suspect this has  
> something to do with the accessibility in the gnome-panel itself,  
> though the applets could also be playing a part here. A good number  
> of them really need descriptions attached to their icons that are  
> meaningful.

> 2. When I press enter on the first blank spot, Orca says "please type
> password to get info on system errors" or something to that effect.  
> When I
> type my password, Orca goes silent.  I was able to run the initial  
> Ubuntu
> installer when I first created this virtual machine (after creating  
> the
> .orbitrc file in /root), so supposedly sysadmin tasks should work.  
> Why is
> this failing to speak? Does it have to do with the fact that it is  
> run from
> the panel rather than command line / shell? What is the name of this
> applet -- i.e. can I get these notifications from the shell?
> This is a known problem. Admin tasks will work, but often right  
> after you enter your password they will not speak. I sometimes need  
> to get around this by opening one of the items in the administration  
> menu first (I usually pick software sources) so that I can simply  
> enter my password then alt+f4 out of the window. After this my  
> password is cached, and I'm able to access any subsequent admin apps  
> until the password timeout is reached (15 minutes without admin  
> activity in the default setup). There is no way I'm aware of to view  
> and dismiss these notifications by the command-line, though  
> obviously that doesn't mean there isn't one.
>
> 3. The next blank tabstop on the panel must be the network admin  
> applet,
> because when I press enter on it, I get a menu of network-ish items. I
> haven't tried these ...
> Yep that's the network manager applet.

> 4. WHen I press enter on the third blank spot on the panel (just  
> before the
> volume), nothing happens.

I don't see this one on either my 8.10 or 9.04 machines, running gnome  
2.24 and 2.25 respectively. On my systems, network manager is  
immediately to the left of the volume icon. It's possible you've had  
another applet installed, though which one that is I can't say. I  
don't recognize that behavior from any of the applets I've used.
> Any clues on what's going on? Have I screwed up my configuration yet  
> again?
> Nah, you're just hitting up against some accessibility bugs.
> I'm still running with Orca 25.xx; I'll try rebuilding from the 2.24  
> branch
> and try this all again, but I want to attempt to fix my broken package
> manager database first.
>
> -- Rich
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jacob Schmude" <j schmude gmail com>
> To: "Rich Caloggero" <rjc mit edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Notification messages, and lots of errors  
> from
> apt-get and dpkg
>
>
> Hi Rich
> The panel icons you need to click to get rid of these notifications
> are on the top panel. Tab past the buttons for firefox, evolution, and
> help. After that you will here "icon." This is the first notification
> icon. Which one it is I can't say, it depends on which notifications
> came first. Anyway, just keep going through them and pressing enter on
> them, and you'll get their respective dialogs. Keep doing this until
> you get to the network manager icon, you'll know this one because when
> you press enter on it you'll get a menu listing your available network
> devices. As you take care of each notification, the icon representing
> it will be removed from your top panel.
> For your second problem, it sounds to me like your available database
> has either been corrupted, or there is a server-side database error
> that was missed when the database was regenerated. The way I fix this
> is to remove the file:
> /var/lib/dpkg/available
> Then run:
> sudo aptitude update
> This will regenerate that information. Looking at the contents of your
> auto-remove, however, I wouldn't go ahead with it unless you don't
> ever plan to update orca from svn on this virtual machine. Packages
> such as python-gtk2-dev need to be kept. In fact, it looks for some
> odd reason as if apt is trying to automatically remove just about your
> entire build environment, because no currently installed package
> depends on it. Here's what I'd do:
> sudo aptitude unmarkauto build-essential python-gtk2-dev python2.5-dev
> gcc g++
> This marks them as being manually installed, rather than auto-
> installed as a dependency, and marking those packages should be
> sufficient for apt to stop trying to remove your development
> toolchain. You might also install the gnome-common package to help
> with this.
> hth
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 17:08, Rich Caloggero wrote:
>
> > Two questions...
> >
> > First, I'm getting notifications from the system: one about updates
> > being
> > ready to install, and another about an app that has crashed. How do I
> > investigate this? Where is the notification panel or whatever its
> > called?
> >
> > NExt, when trying to update firefox, I get many packages listed
> > which are no
> > longer needed. It suggests doing apt-get autoremove to remove them.
> > when I
> > do this, I get errors about missing newlines in package files, etc.
> > Here is
> > the terminal log:
> >
> > Script started on Wed 11 Feb 2009 10:24:04 PM EST
> > ]0;rjc intrepid: ~rjc intrepid:~$ sudo apt-get install firefox
> > [sudo] password for rjc:
> >
> > Reading package lists... 0%
> >
> > Reading package lists... 0%
> >
> > Reading package lists... 7%
> >
> > Reading package lists... Done
> >
> >
> > Building dependency tree... 0%
> >
> > Building dependency tree... 0%
> >
> > Building dependency tree... 50%
> >
> > Building dependency tree... 50%
> >
> > Building dependency tree
> >
> >
> > Reading state information... 0%
> >
> > Reading state information... 0%
> >
> > Reading state information... Done
> >
> > The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
> > required:
> > python-gtk2-dev libstdc++6-4.3-dev libpopt-dev liborbit2-dev
> > python-gtk2-doc
> > libsm-dev libice-dev x11proto-xext-dev libatk1.0-dev debhelper
> > intltool-debian x11proto-kb-dev libglib2.0-dev gnome-pkg-tools
> > x11proto-xinerama-dev libpango1.0-dev g++-4.3 x11proto-render-dev
> > docbook-xsl libxi-dev libxrender-dev po-debconf libatspi-dev
> > libcairo2-dev
> > python-dev libxdmcp-dev g++ python2.5-dev libffi-dev libpng12-dev
> > cdbs
> > libfontconfig1-dev python-pyorbit-dev libmail-sendmail-perl
> > x11proto-record-dev x11proto-composite-dev xtrans-dev x11proto-core-
> > dev
> > libxcursor-dev libbonobo2-dev fdupes x11proto-randr-dev
> > x11proto-damage-dev
> > libxcb-render-util0-dev libgtk2.0-dev libxext-dev docbook-xsl-doc-
> > html
> > libxdamage-dev zlib1g-dev libxml2-dev x11proto-input-dev libidl-dev
> > libfreetype6-dev x11proto-fixes-dev libpthread-stubs0-dev libxau-dev
> > dpkg-dev libpthread-stubs0 libxcomposite-dev libxrandr-dev
> > libexpat1-dev
> > html2text libpixman-1-dev libxft-dev libx11-dev libxcb-xlib0-dev
> > python-gnome2-dev libxcb-render0-dev libxfixes-dev orbit2 libxcb1-dev
> > libxinerama-dev libxtst-dev libsys-hostname-long-perl python-
> > gobject-dev
> > build-essential
> > Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
> > The following packages will be upgraded:
> > firefox
> > 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 0B/68.9kB of archives.
> > After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.
> >
> >
> > Selecting previously deselected package firefox.
> > (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing
> > /var/cache/apt/archives/
> > firefox_3.0.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1_all.deb
> > (--unpack):
> > files list file for package `libgpod-common' is missing final newline
> > Errors were encountered while processing:
> > /var/cache/apt/archives/
> > firefox_3.0.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1_all.deb
> > Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
> > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> > ]0;rjc intrepid: ~rjc intrepid:~$ sudo apt-get install firefox
> > 
> > ]0;rjc intrepid: ~rjc intrepid:~$ sudo apt-get remove firefox
> >
> > Reading package lists... 0%
> >
> > Reading package lists... 0%
> >
> > Reading package lists... 7%
> >
> > Reading package lists... Done
> >
> >
> > Building dependency tree... 0%
> >
> > Building dependency tree... 0%
> >
> > Building dependency tree... 50%
> >
> > Building dependency tree... 50%
> >
> > Building dependency tree
> >
> >
> > Reading state information... 0%
> >
> > Reading state information... 0%
> >
> > Reading state information... Done
> >
> > The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
> > required:
> > python-gtk2-dev libstdc++6-4.3-dev libpopt-dev liborbit2-dev
> > python-gtk2-doc
> > libsm-dev libice-dev x11proto-xext-dev libatk1.0-dev debhelper
> > intltool-debian x11proto-kb-dev libglib2.0-dev gnome-pkg-tools
> > x11proto-xinerama-dev libpango1.0-dev g++-4.3 x11proto-render-dev
> > docbook-xsl libxi-dev libxrender-dev po-debconf libatspi-dev
> > libcairo2-dev
> > python-dev libxdmcp-dev g++ python2.5-dev libffi-dev libpng12-dev
> > cdbs
> > libfontconfig1-dev python-pyorbit-dev libmail-sendmail-perl
> > x11proto-record-dev x11proto-composite-dev xtrans-dev x11proto-core-
> > dev
> > libxcursor-dev libbonobo2-dev fdupes x11proto-randr-dev
> > x11proto-damage-dev
> > libxcb-render-util0-dev libgtk2.0-dev libxext-dev docbook-xsl-doc-
> > html
> > libxdamage-dev zlib1g-dev libxml2-dev x11proto-input-dev libidl-dev
> > libfreetype6-dev x11proto-fixes-dev libpthread-stubs0-dev libxau-dev
> > dpkg-dev libpthread-stubs0 libxcomposite-dev libxrandr-dev
> > libexpat1-dev
> > html2text libpixman-1-dev libxft-dev libx11-dev libxcb-xlib0-dev
> > python-gnome2-dev libxcb-render0-dev libxfixes-dev orbit2 libxcb1-dev
> > libxinerama-dev libxtst-dev libsys-hostname-long-perl python-
> > gobject-dev
> > build-essential
> > Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
> > The following packages will be REMOVED:
> > firefox
> > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 10 not upgraded.
> > After this operation, 127kB disk space will be freed.
> > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
> >
> >
> > (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing firefox (--remove):
> > files list file for package `libgpod-common' is missing final newline
> > Errors were encountered while processing:
> > firefox
> > Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
> > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> > ]0;rjc intrepid: ~rjc intrepid:~$ exit
> > exit
> >
> > Script done on Wed 11 Feb 2009 10:25:39 PM EST
> >
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