Re: [orca-list] Fw: Mouseover support in Orca

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

Excellent points here.  I wish I could contribute more to this
discussion but for now, I just wanna keep this alive so we can keep
Orca in the forefrunt with navigation of complex websites.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 05:35:38PM -0400, Rich Caloggero wrote:
> Maybe the enter key could do this automatically, i.e. route mouse pointer
> and click. This way, enter will operate both a normal link and ones which
> only respond to onclick.  FYI, this is the way Jaws and other windows  
> screen
> readers work.
>
> One big problem with windows screen readers with regard to onclicks, only
> elements with inline onclick handlers are reported as being clickable. If
> you add the event handler after the fact using javascript, then the user
> never knows the element is even clickable. Hopefully, orca will not suffer
> from this issue.
>
> Now, having re-read this post and the others in this thread, I realized  
> that mouseovers were being discussed, not oonclick.  I'll send my 
> comments anyhow in case they are useful, but they probably should be 
> deleted...
> In any case, maybe mouseovers could be triggered when you arrow onto the  
> element. The issue here is that mouseovers tend to trigger the appearance 
> of menus and such, which generally appear "somewhere else in the dom". 
> For instance, many times they appear at the end of the dom, and the 
> screen reader user has no idea of their existance. If a mouseover event 
> were triggered by arrowing to an element, then how should the screen 
> reader notify the user that the dom has changed? Liveregions might help, 
> but I see this case as distinct from the typical use case for liveregion 
> markup. Along the same lines, if the mouseover is triggered by arrow 
> keys, then what should happen when the user arrows away from the element 
> that triggered it? If the user has to arrow away to find out what the dom 
> change was, then the mouseover should go away because the user is no 
> longer sitting on the trigger.
>
> Does any of this make sense?
>
> -- Rich
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John covici" 
> > <covici ccs covici com>
> > To: "Steve Holmes" <steve holmes88 gmail com>
> > Cc: <orca-list gnome org>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Mouseover support in Orca has arrived!
> >
> >
> > > I get thiws a lot as well where the mouse pointer is just below the
> > > menu bar and sometimes I can't route it to where the focus is.
> > >
> > > on Sunday 07/26/2009 Steve Holmes(steve holmes88 gmail com) wrote
> > > > I wasn't sure either.  What I was attempting was all those points
> > > > where there are implied actions such as create event and the days in
> > > > the month.  They can be clicked on from flat review but they are not
> > > > links in the normal sense.  I seem to run into a lot of that from time
> > > > to time and maybe there could be a way to integrate the mouseover
> > > > feature with routing mouse pointer to the current focus.  I thought
> > > > the flat review function was supposed to do this but many times in
> > > > Firefox, the flat review pointer more often than not, sit up on the
> > > > top left of the window over the File menu item.  Once I can get the
> > > > pointer on the items I just found to focus, I can click it with decent
> > > > success.
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