Re: [orca-list] Orca-list Digest, Vol 33, Issue 54



Dear Oca-Users,

does the installation of Java <accessibility bridge improve the
accessibility of OO or other applications?

Is this helpful for Orca?

Best Regards

Gerhard.


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  test ignore (Halim Sahin)
   2. Re:  test ignore (mattias)
   3.  howto write mails to this list? (Halim Sahin)
   4. Re:  howto write mails to this list? (mattias)
   5. Re:  howto write mails to this list? (Halim Sahin)
   6. Re:  speech-dispatcher (Hynek Hanke)
   7.  OT: Audio applications and accessibility (Christian)
   8.  Thunderbird 3 problems (mk360)
   9. Re:  Thunderbird 3 problems (mk360)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:03:26 +0200
From: Halim Sahin <halim sahin t-online de>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] test ignore
To: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <20081025120326 GA10295 halim local>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi,

On Sa, Okt 25, 2008 at 10:55:54 +0200, mattias wrote:
and do you no what server problems are?
Choose another list to solve your serverproblems if you want useful
answers to your questions.

Otherwise >/dev/null
Regards
Halim



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:05:19 +0200
From: mattias <mj mjw se>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] test ignore
To: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1224936319 8518 4 camel ubuntu>
Content-Type: text/plain

but now the problmes are solved
end of story
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 14:03 +0200, Halim Sahin wrote:
Hi,

On Sa, Okt 25, 2008 at 10:55:54 +0200, mattias wrote:
and do you no what server problems are?
Choose another list to solve your serverproblems if you want useful
answers to your questions.

Otherwise >/dev/null
Regards
Halim

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:15:01 +0200
From: Halim Sahin <halim sahin t-online de>
Subject: [orca-list] howto write mails to this list?
To: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <20081025121501 GA10521 halim local>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hello,
A common anoying problem of this mailinglist is thread hijacking.

from Wikipedia
   Thread hijacking (or "threadjacking") in online communication is the
   act of composing a new mail to a email mailing list, internet forum
or
   newsgroup by replying to an existing message with un- or
barely-related
   content, rather than composing a new message from scratch. In the
worst
   case, the threadjacker fails to even change the Subject: line.

   Harms from threadjacking result from
     * disruption to email clients that display discussions in a
       hierarchical, or threaded, fashion. An email client usually
cannot
       do content analysis of messages to make this determination;
rather,
       it relies upon an In-Reply-To: header field that records the
       Message-ID of the respondee. Thus a threadjacked message is mixed
       into the tree of an unrelated thread, rather than in a new one.
     * degradation to search. Email clients often default to searching
     * the
       Subject: line, rather than the more voluminous bodies of
messages.
       An attempt to search for a message with contents very different

       from its Subject: will then be thwarted.

   Threadjacking is generally considered a breach of netiquette and can
   cause ill feelings among other participants in the discussion.
End Wikipedia

Please don't use an existing mail and change its subject to start a new
thread.
Please don't ask not thread related questions in an existing thread.
See previous loquendo related diskusion!!!

Regards



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:19:24 +0200
From: mattias <mj mjw se>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] howto write mails to this list?
To: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1224937164 8864 2 camel ubuntu>
Content-Type: text/plain

are not orca related to loquendo?
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 14:15 +0200, Halim Sahin wrote:
Hello,
A common anoying problem of this mailinglist is thread hijacking.

from Wikipedia
   Thread hijacking (or "threadjacking") in online communication is the
   act of composing a new mail to a email mailing list, internet forum
or
   newsgroup by replying to an existing message with un- or
barely-related
   content, rather than composing a new message from scratch. In the
worst
   case, the threadjacker fails to even change the Subject: line.

   Harms from threadjacking result from
     * disruption to email clients that display discussions in a
       hierarchical, or threaded, fashion. An email client usually
cannot
       do content analysis of messages to make this determination;
rather,
       it relies upon an In-Reply-To: header field that records the
       Message-ID of the respondee. Thus a threadjacked message is mixed
       into the tree of an unrelated thread, rather than in a new one.
     * degradation to search. Email clients often default to searching
     * the
       Subject: line, rather than the more voluminous bodies of
messages.
       An attempt to search for a message with contents very different

       from its Subject: will then be thwarted.

   Threadjacking is generally considered a breach of netiquette and can
   cause ill feelings among other participants in the discussion.
End Wikipedia

Please don't use an existing mail and change its subject to start a new
thread.
Please don't ask not thread related questions in an existing thread.
See previous loquendo related diskusion!!!

Regards

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:23:03 +0200
From: Halim Sahin <halim sahin t-online de>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] howto write mails to this list?
To: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <20081025122303 GA10936 halim local>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Please Read that thread again!
A user asked about loquendo.
Another user used the same subject to ask about sd/ibmtts!

End of storry.



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:01:14 +0200
From: Hynek Hanke <hanke brailcom org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher
To: mattias <mj mjw se>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <4903189A 8050902 brailcom org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

mattias wrote:
contain the new speech-dispatcher live logging on the terminal?
  

Yes, you can use "stdout" as a value for the LogDir option
in speechd.conf. I wonder however why would you want to
do that? It's much easier to examine the information in the
logfile with your editor

With regards,
Hynek Hanke



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:45:17 +0200
From: "Christian" <christian08 runbox com>
Subject: [orca-list] OT: Audio applications and accessibility
To: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <200810251545170187 0022B64A 127 0 0 1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Hello all,
Yesterday I decided to have a look at the different audio applications that
are available for Linux since there are many interesting programs out there
like reverbs, sequencers, sound editors and so on.
I first decided to have a go with the graphical tools so on Ubuntu hardy I
installed the ubuntustudio-audio as well as ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
However, not very much was accessible.
I have been using Sound Forge under Windows and I have also plaied around
with Audacity a little but now I wanted to see if I could do my audio
editing needs under Linux instead. I am trying to do more and more under
Linux.
There are some command line based tools like Ecasound which I haven't tried
as of yet have only installed that.
Another problem which is not related to accessibility is that most of the
tools only supports Alsa. I have been trying to use padsp before I start the
program, but it works with a few but not all.
Is anyone here like me wanting to use the different audio tools that are
available for Linux?
I even posted a message onto the Audacity mailing list regarding
accessibility with Orca and Audacity.
Below is the message I got from the list:

Quote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:43:49 +0200
"Christian" <christian08 runbox com> wrote:
I don't know where else to post this kind of question, but hopefully
someone on this list is able to help me with this.
I want to get started with audio editing under Linux. But unfortunatly
the Audacity sound editor is not that accessible with Orca, the screen
reader for the Gnome desktop. I am visually impaired.
There seems to be other alternatives out there and some of them
requires something called Jack. Where can I get more info about using
Jack and how it works? I think one other alternative is called Ardour.

Have you tried Audacity Beta (1.3.x)?
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/beta_linux

Try the links on that page if you are on Fedora, Gentoo, SuSE or Ubuntu,
or try to find the latest 1.3 package supplied by your distribution.  

We did a quick test of Orca recently and found it worked quite well with
the latest 1.3 Audacity code:
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Audacity_for_blind_users#Free_S
creen_Readers

JACK (http://jackaudio.org/) is a low latency sound server that can be
used on Linux to pass audio from one application to another. Audacity 
does not require it, and in fact does not support it very well at the
moment:
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Linux_Issues#JACK   
End quote
But unfortunatly the preferences window is still not accessible and the
first time you run Audacity there is a dialog which is not accessible with
Orca.
What do you all think?
I am bringing this up since there are so many great tools for music and
audio production which we can't use at the moment and they are free and we
need to use other tools for Windows instead.
Another tool I tried is called Ardour. It's like Protools but didn't have
luck with it even thoguh Orca read the new project dialog and the
preferences as well as the menus.
Best regards and thanks,
Christian



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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:20:41 -0300
From: mk360 <rexxe tutopia com>
Subject: [orca-list] Thunderbird 3 problems
To: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <49032B39 1080407 tutopia com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi,

I've some problems on Thunderbird with orca. One think is if I go to the 
new "shredder page" (or similar, I don't know if is that message in 
English) item, when I go to the messages list and I delete one with 
supr, orca don't read the next message.
An other think is orca don't read some dialogs, for example if you're 
writing a message and pres ctrl w, orca don't read the save dialog.
Other problem, but I think this concerns more to Thunderbird than orca 
is ctrl backspace don't delete entire words, this is really a problem 
when writing messages faster.

Any other with that problems? are orca problems or Thunderbird problems? 
when can I report Thunderbird problems?.

Best regards,
mk.


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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:28:30 -0400
From: "mk360" <rexxe tutopia com>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Thunderbird 3 problems
To: "mk360" <rexxe tutopia com>,        <orca-list gnome org>
Message-ID: <72B7BDDF6CD84772867A7EE4BB2A7FD1 seventhson>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
        reply-type=response

*where can I report a problem with thunderbird :P.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mk360" <rexxe tutopia com>
To: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:20 AM
Subject: [orca-list] Thunderbird 3 problems


Hi,

I've some problems on Thunderbird with orca. One think is if I go to the 
new "shredder page" (or similar, I don't know if is that message in 
English) item, when I go to the messages list and I delete one with 
supr, orca don't read the next message.
An other think is orca don't read some dialogs, for example if you're 
writing a message and pres ctrl w, orca don't read the save dialog.
Other problem, but I think this concerns more to Thunderbird than orca 
is ctrl backspace don't delete entire words, this is really a problem 
when writing messages faster.

Any other with that problems? are orca problems or Thunderbird problems? 
when can I report Thunderbird problems?.

Best regards,
mk.
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